Sunday Mail Has More Details on Paula's Blood Values and Off Scores + News She'll Put up £1m for an MRI lie detector

fred wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

The big difference between myself and some scientist is that I already know where it's possible to arrive for top clean athletes, instead they suppose the best performances depend on doping. This is the reason because I not only suppose, but in the most part of cases KNOW, that blood doping at max level doesn't produce any positive effect on performances of endurance, since I can't suppose that, if I gave EPO to many of my athletes, a lot of them could beat the WR of 10000 running under 26', or Shaheen could run 7'45" in steeple, or Moses Mosop could run 1:59 in Marathon (4' advantage).

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Or Rita Jeptoo could run 2:18.

Hey Fred...If I remember correctly...Claudio Berardelli had his coaching contract terminated by manager Frederico Rosa after Claudio had 3 of his athletes banned for positive doping tests.

I read that Claudio Berardelli was then given a new coaching contract with manager Gianni Demadonna.

Maybe Renato can tell us the famous runners that Claudio Berardelli is coaching now.

I sure would be interested to know what Claudio is up to these days.

rjm33 wrote:

fred wrote:

Or Rita Jeptoo could run 2:18.

Hey Fred...If I remember correctly...Claudio Berardelli had his coaching contract terminated by manager Frederico Rosa after Claudio had 3 of his athletes banned for positive doping tests.

I read that Claudio Berardelli was then given a new coaching contract with manager Gianni Demadonna.

Maybe Renato can tell us the famous runners that Claudio Berardelli is coaching now.

I sure would be interested to know what Claudio is up to these days.

Canova:

"After the historical Sunday that changed the Marathon in the World, I like to speak about the young Italian coach of both the athletes at 2:04:27 (Duncan Kibet and James Kwambai). Claudio Berardelli is a very young (27 years), motivated and humble person. He's doctor in Science of the Movement, and from about 3 years works in Kenya.

Looking at the results of his athletes, at the moment he can be considered the coach number 1 in the World in Middle and long distances.

His Marathon runners are, apart Kibet and Kwambai, Martin Lel, Robert Cheruiyot, Evans Cheruiyot, the number 3 in Paris yesterday, the winner of Rome in 2:07:17 and many others about 2:08.

On track,he's the coach of the Olympic Champion of 1500m W (Nancy Lagat), of the World Champions of 800m M-W (Alfred Kirwa and Janet Jepkosgei), and of the new Matthew Kisorio, second behind Mosop in Kenyan CC Trials.

We share without any stupid secret our experiences in training. If I teached something to him, I learnt a lot from his new experiences. We have to learn from the athletes, discovering every time new possibilities in training, due to the different talent and the different physiology of everybody.

So, we are now trying to better understand the connection between volume and intensity, because Kibet and Kwambai have a training of high quality with little volume (130-140 km per week), many times running only once per day. But, at the same time, Martin Lel and Robert Cheruiyot have a training of high volume."

fred...Did you see this interesting and creative "anemia" treatment for a Japanese runner?Translator's note: Also in the background of this story is Kaori Yoshida's 2013 suspension for a positive test for EPO after receiving treatment for anemia. Amid international scandals such as the current one involving meldonium, the JAAF's sudden move against a longstanding practice gives pause for thought about what, if anything, might be being left unsaid.Posted by Brett Larner at 3:43 PM http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2016/04/jaaf-issues-warning-against-widespread.htmlIt looks like "malaria" and "anemia" treatment can be quite varied...depending on which doctor is doing the "treatment".

fred wrote:

Dr. Joe, we all be HIF Huffers and methylene beet bopper poppers.

Let's look at drugs in distance running over the last thirty years... Oh we had very successful Italian distance runners, world records, gold medals and great depth... And a lot of drugs. Many of them have admitted as much. Now we have very successful Kenyan distance runners, world records, gold medals, huge depth... And Itslian coaches and managers.... Wow what a coincidence... And all of them get slower with performance enhancing drugs and all produce their best performances before they use drugs.... Simply amazing.

Hey all, nothing to see ... the sport's in rude health. Move along now, move along.

rjm33 wrote:

fred...Did you see this interesting and creative "anemia" treatment for a Japanese runner?

Translator's note: Also in the background of this story is Kaori Yoshida's 2013 suspension for a positive test for EPO after receiving treatment for anemia. Amid international scandals such as the current one involving meldonium, the JAAF's sudden move against a longstanding practice gives pause for thought about what, if anything, might be being left unsaid.

Posted by Brett Larner at 3:43 PM

http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2016/04/jaaf-issues-warning-against-widespread.html

It looks like "malaria" and "anemia" treatment can be quite varied...depending on which doctor is doing the "treatment".

fred wrote:

Dr. Joe, we all be HIF Huffers and methylene beet bopper poppers.

Fred!...How about the part about Kaori Yoshida's suspension for EPO after receiving treatment for "anemia"? Here is the excerpt of that part:

...Also in the background of this story is Kaori Yoshida's 2013 suspension for a positive test for EPO after receiving treatment for anemia. Amid international scandals such as the current one involving meldonium, the JAAF's sudden move against a longstanding practice gives pause for thought about what, if anything, might be being left unsaid.

Martin Lel, Rita Jeptoo, and Matthew Kisorio were all coached by Claudio Berardelli and all 3 said they had received treatment for malaria. Matthew Kisorio was banned for nandrolone and Rita was banned for EPO.

Paul Tergat and Sammy Wanjiru also both have a history of "malaria" and were both managed by Gabriele or Frederico Rosa.

Dennis Kimetto ran a 2:03:45 marathon at Chicago in 2013 just 6 weeks after a bout of "malaria". He is the world record holder in the marathon at 2:02:57 and is managed by Gerard Van De Veen of Volare sports management from the Netherlands.

Paula Radcliffe won the 1992 Junior World Cross Country Championships by 5 seconds over Wang Junxia in 2nd place...just a few months after she was first diagnosed with anemia in January, 1992.

just some more coincidences

Fred, I thought you would like that article about high intensity hypoxic training and hypoxic training synergism...similar to the PED synergism I was after by combining 8oz.of beet juice with 2 Tbsp of baking soda before my 10k PR attempt...which ended up being a failed 10k PR attempt.

Some other posters said that the correct dose of beet juice was only 2oz.

I knew that from reading some studies...but I calculated that chugging 8oz.

of beet juice in 6 seconds plus or minus 1 second with the 2 Tbsp of baking soda should be at least 4X more effective than only a 2oz. dose of beet juice.

Fred, I am pretty good at math...so where did my PED synergism experiment go wrong?

Quick, genuine, question: did Jeptoo ever say where she got the EPO? I searched but could not find an answer. I remember her Italian coaches / managers being at a race soon afterward and totally disclaiming it. But I can't recall her story of where it came from. I would think that the Kenyan federation would want to know. I know they blamed foreign coaches / agents generally for a while but there seems to be less discussion of that now. Did I miss some resolution of that issue in the last year? Coach Canova - do you know if they are they saying a relative gave it to her? How did the relative get it?

I have never heard of an answer to your question.

There is also some discussion on the Kenya Antidoping g bill thread. Canova is commenting there now ( same arguments).

Here is what Canova said in the other thread. This does not make a ton of sense to me since I thought she was caught around the time she won the WMM but maybe I am off."This is what happens for athletes of second and third level, never for top athletes (apart the ecceptions of Mathew Kisorio, the only one really asking for some support, and Rita Jeptoo, cheated during a period of injury by some doctor in Kapsabet who told her to use some legal pharmacy for helping her training, at the moment very poor because of the injury).So, I can't accept that for you Rita is the rule, and the other 99 clean in top 100 the ecception. I can't also accept your statement about Italian Coach and Managers, because the reality is that Italian Coaches and Managers had a very important role in the development of top athletes in Kenya, both for advanced methodologies and money at the base of training camps"

rjm33 wrote:

I have never heard of an answer to your question.

fred!

Does all this doping news got you down?

Do you need some elevation of your mood?

I have a special "treatment" just for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbrqFEJvY_g

Do you feel better now?

It gets me down.

I would like to see athletes and coaches campaigning against drug cheats.

Currently, we have silence and ambivalence.

Credit to Renato, he is at least prepared to come on here and debate the subject. But how often do you hear other coaches or top athletes discussing doping?

It's the elephant in the room.

cleans wrote:

It gets me down.

I would like to see athletes and coaches campaigning against drug cheats.

You mean things like athletes in the stands holding up placards with "EPO cheats out" for example? 😀

Fred..Have you had time to read about any of these substances yet?

I take #23 to #30 daily.

23) Magnesium-L-threonate- increases synaptic density

24) trans-pterostilbene- sirtuin1activator, increases PPARalpha and Nrf-2

25) nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD)- SIRT 1 activator

26) R-lipoic acid- increases AMPK, PGC1alpha

27) Acetyl-L-carnitine- increases AMPK, PGC1alpha, cytochrome C oxidase

28) Propionyl-L-carnitine- increases NO, concentrates in heart and muscle

29) ubiquinol

30) tocotrienols

...just a coincidence...

larkimm wrote:

cleans wrote:

It gets me down.

I would like to see athletes and coaches campaigning against drug cheats.

You mean things like athletes in the stands holding up placards with "EPO cheats out" for example? 😀

Yes! And fighting for transparency, in particular from convicted and suspected drug cheats.

But nowadays, even IAAF and WADA as alleged anti-doping fighters stand up against transparency, to protect Paula among others. They don't even pretend to stand for a clean sport anymore, look e.g. at their leadership, ethics committee, "flagship laboratory", and recent "promotions".

Here's an elite Italian athlete (cyclist) that believes doping works...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/di-luca-reveals-details-of-his-doping-in-hard-hitting-autobiography/

"Doping improves your performance between 5 and 7 per cent, and maybe 10 to 12 per cent when you are in a peak shape"

casual obsever wrote:

But nowadays, even IAAF and WADA as alleged anti-doping fighters stand up against transparency, to protect Paula among others. They don't even pretend to stand for a clean sport anymore, look e.g. at their leadership, ethics committee, "flagship laboratory", and recent "promotions".

That's your theory, and I understand you believe it. I don't.

Are you starting a poll? If so, mark me down as believing casual obsever's theory

larkimm wrote:That's your theory, and I understand you believe it. I don't.

casual obsever wrote:

But nowadays, even IAAF and WADA as alleged anti-doping fighters stand up against transparency, to protect Paula among others. They don't even pretend to stand for a clean sport anymore, look e.g. at their leadership, ethics committee, "flagship laboratory", and recent "promotions".