BOTTOM LINE:
FBI knowing used Clinton paid opposition research which was unvetted to seek FISA warrants against the opposition party candidate. Obama weaponized the FISA Courts. That is YUUGE.
Talk about "meddling with elections". There's your collusion.
Mueller isn't coming
Flagpole is done
Rigged for Trump. wrote:
DOW is dropping like a stone again today. The only thing greasing the Trump wagon's wheels is money, that's their only motivation. If DOW keeps dropping I expect the GOP will be turning on the orange soon enough.
The stock market is dropping like a stone. THANKS TRUMP!
DiscoGary wrote:
1. No FISA warrants would have been issued without the dossier.
I have not seen compelling support for this claim.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
BOTTOM LINE:
FBI knowing used Clinton paid opposition research which was unvetted to seek FISA warrants against the opposition party candidate. Obama weaponized the FISA Courts. That is YUUGE.
Talk about "meddling with elections". There's your collusion.
This isn't going to end up the way you hope.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
BOTTOM LINE:
FBI knowing used Clinton paid opposition research which was unvetted to seek FISA warrants against the opposition party candidate. Obama weaponized the FISA Courts. That is YUUGE.
Talk about "meddling with elections". There's your collusion.
Mueller isn't coming
Flagpole is done
"I zee nothing."
Flagpole wrote:
Rigged for Trump. wrote:
DOW is dropping like a stone again today. The only thing greasing the Trump wagon's wheels is money, that's their only motivation. If DOW keeps dropping I expect the GOP will be turning on the orange soon enough.
The stock market is dropping like a stone. THANKS TRUMP!
I'm not retiring until 50, so go low now!
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
BOTTOM LINE:
FBI knowing used Clinton paid opposition research which was unvetted to seek FISA warrants against the opposition party candidate. Obama weaponized the FISA Courts. That is YUUGE.
Talk about "meddling with elections". There's your collusion.
Mueller isn't coming
Flagpole is done
You can't help stupid. Obama was ZERO ability to "weaponize FISA courts." FFS, read up about FISA courts and warrants. Many, many levels of protection for the target of a FISA warrant.
Enough with the ignorance.
Porter J wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
1. No FISA warrants would have been issued without the dossier.
I have not seen compelling support for this claim.
Quite the contrary in fact...they had already said the dossier wasn't what triggered the FISA warrant.
Right now, it APPEARS this is desperation by some members of the GOP and Trump. I reserve the right to change my mind if more evidence is presented.
Flagpole wrote:
Bearer of Bad News wrote:
Tell us your predictions. Not what is likely, maybe, perhaps...
Concrete stuff.
Ok. I have listed them before.
These are PREDICTIONS, not guarantees.
1) I predict Trump will be found guilty of Obstruction of Justice.
2) I predict Trump will be found guilty of Money Laundering.
3) I predict that IF Trump has a sit-down interview with Robert Mueller (not answering written questions as he wants to do) where lawyers are not allowed to intervene that he will be found guilty of Perjury.
4) I predict that Trump will NOT be found guilty of conspiracy, but not because he is innocent of it, but because it is so very hard to prove. Also, could be part of a plea deal where he gets to drop this charge by admitting guilt to the others. I though will NOT be surprised if Mueller is able to make this stick. There is a lot of smoke on the collusion (conspiracy) issue, and he has a lot of people talking, so this could happen, but again, I predict not at this point for the reason I mentioned.
So, what will happen to him?
I predict that if Mueller releases soon that he will be impeached like Clinton was. I predict he will then resign or be convicted and removed by the Senate. This might end up being a Democrat house and senate after the 2018 elections, but I believe the information Mueller provides will be enough to make this a largely bi-partisan effort. IF we get passed the 2020 election and Trump is not re-elected, I predict he will still be punished in some way...financially or imprisonment or both.
I also predict that some bad charges will come down on people that are mostly out of the news now. I don't know for sure who that will be, but we will be surprised by someone...Pence, Sessions, Nunes, Ryan, or someone else...someone that isn't making headlines today with regard to this investigation will get slammed hard.
As a life-long Democrat (in college I campaigned for Humphrey/Muskie!), even I know this won't happen. It's wishful thinking though.
LDave wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ok. I have listed them before.
These are PREDICTIONS, not guarantees.
1) I predict Trump will be found guilty of Obstruction of Justice.
2) I predict Trump will be found guilty of Money Laundering.
3) I predict that IF Trump has a sit-down interview with Robert Mueller (not answering written questions as he wants to do) where lawyers are not allowed to intervene that he will be found guilty of Perjury.
4) I predict that Trump will NOT be found guilty of conspiracy, but not because he is innocent of it, but because it is so very hard to prove. Also, could be part of a plea deal where he gets to drop this charge by admitting guilt to the others. I though will NOT be surprised if Mueller is able to make this stick. There is a lot of smoke on the collusion (conspiracy) issue, and he has a lot of people talking, so this could happen, but again, I predict not at this point for the reason I mentioned.
So, what will happen to him?
I predict that if Mueller releases soon that he will be impeached like Clinton was. I predict he will then resign or be convicted and removed by the Senate. This might end up being a Democrat house and senate after the 2018 elections, but I believe the information Mueller provides will be enough to make this a largely bi-partisan effort. IF we get passed the 2020 election and Trump is not re-elected, I predict he will still be punished in some way...financially or imprisonment or both.
I also predict that some bad charges will come down on people that are mostly out of the news now. I don't know for sure who that will be, but we will be surprised by someone...Pence, Sessions, Nunes, Ryan, or someone else...someone that isn't making headlines today with regard to this investigation will get slammed hard.
As a life-long Democrat (in college I campaigned for Humphrey/Muskie!), even I know this won't happen. It's wishful thinking though.
We shall see.
The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hillary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election.
Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media.
Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.
This is plainly treason. Americans subverted by their own banana republic government that decides who will take rule, DOJ/Obama/FBI implicated directly. The government proven to subvert all US citizens in an act of treason.
Dow down 650 now.
It’s a Stormy time
Flagpole wrote:
Real Net Worth wrote:
There's net worth and there's REAL net worth.
I'd put his REAL net worth as substantially lower than a steaming pile of dog sh!t.
True...it is possible that if you balance assets and liabilities that he isn't worth much at all and could even be negative.
I mean, he ripped off US banks so much that none of them will loan him any money, and he supposedly owes well over a hundred million to Deutsche Bank. I know that I could get a loan from any US bank and I don't owe any money to anyone.
Not disagreeing.
But my reference to REAL net worth was about his worth as a human being, not his financial balance sheet. I am confident that his REAL net worth is well south of a steaming pile of dog sh!t.
Real Net Worth wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
True...it is possible that if you balance assets and liabilities that he isn't worth much at all and could even be negative.
I mean, he ripped off US banks so much that none of them will loan him any money, and he supposedly owes well over a hundred million to Deutsche Bank. I know that I could get a loan from any US bank and I don't owe any money to anyone.
Not disagreeing.
But my reference to REAL net worth was about his worth as a human being, not his financial balance sheet. I am confident that his REAL net worth is well south of a steaming pile of dog sh!t.
Ah...I agree unreservedly.
nontrumper wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
BOTTOM LINE:
FBI knowing used Clinton paid opposition research which was unvetted to seek FISA warrants against the opposition party candidate. Obama weaponized the FISA Courts. That is YUUGE.
Talk about "meddling with elections". There's your collusion.
Mueller isn't coming
Flagpole is done
You can't help stupid. Obama was ZERO ability to "weaponize FISA courts." FFS, read up about FISA courts and warrants. Many, many levels of protection for the target of a FISA warrant.
Enough with the ignorance.
What do you mean, "enough with the ignorance"? Without ignorance, what do the Trumpettes have left?
Shorty McShort wrote:
Flagpole for Prez wrote:
No doubt you would take his crown.
You're a rock star.
Unfortunately, there is a provision in the Constitution that the POTUS has to be at least 5'6".
Sorry, Flag.
Well, if you are going to judge a man by the color of his skin you might as well judge him by his height as well.
Makes perfect sense.
GJ wrote:
Nontrumper, Flagpole, and friends -- I get that you don't like Trump, but what is the deal with the sick, obsessive, pathological defense of a bunch of dirty DC feds? Believe me, these same feds that you so illustriously defend would happily slit your throat for a farthing.
Move on with your lives. Trump isn't going anywhere for 3-8 more years. Dems will eventually take the Oval Office again and the cycle will continue.
Until then, smile and enjoy the prosperity of our booming country!
ANY evidence that Mueller is dirty??? No. Zero. Nothing.
Remember at the beginning of the investigation... nothing but praise from REPUBLICANS about Mueller and his integrity. But once the investigation seemed to gain steam, Trump, who is under said investigation, along with Nunes, GOP, Fox, InfoWars, etc. tries to distract and discredit. Stories of a 'deep state' and an intelligence committee in bed with the Dems. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?! Mind you... With. Zero. Evidence.
As an independent, my votes, both locally and nationally, have gone for candidates from both parties. This is about rule of law.
When it's all said and done, we will learn that this was attack on our constitution. On democracy. The foundation of our country. The media has probably only reported on 10-15% of what Mueller's investigation has accumulated. Trump has roughly 35% support/approval, as more and more evidence comes out, his support will drop to about 25% or so. There will always be the conspiracy folks, who despite Everest-levels of evidence will continue to blame HRC/Obama. It's sad.
So, back at you, why are Trumpers ignoring mounds of information linking Trump and associates to Russia? It's funny how it has shifted from no ties to Russia, to collusion is not a crime, to HRC/Obama are at fault.
Flagpole wrote:
LDave wrote:
As a life-long Democrat (in college I campaigned for Humphrey/Muskie!), even I know this won't happen. It's wishful thinking though.
We shall see.
I should be clear about some things here...as the DOJ has an agreement that sitting presidents can't be indicted (which seems like a ridiculous thing to me), an INDICTMENT by Mueller is not likely while Trump is still President. It is most likely that obstruction of justice and money laundering will be found by Mueller, presented to Congress, and then Congress makes the determination about what happens to Trump. Again, it will be clear that he is guilty of obstruction and money laundering, and with how that all comes out, the House will have no choice but to vote to impeach. I believe the evidence will be strong enough that the Senate will convict and he will be removed from office, or he will resign before that happens.
Once he is out of office, who knows what will happen. If Pence isn't affected, I expect him to pardon Trump. State charges are still possible against Trump at that point.
He is such a bad person. It is only just if some bad sh!t happens to him (all legal of course).
Oh Gee wrote:
The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hillary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election.
Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media.
Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.
This is plainly treason. Americans subverted by their own banana republic government that decides who will take rule, DOJ/Obama/FBI implicated directly. The government proven to subvert all US citizens in an act of treason.
I realize I'm wasting my time, but my god, are you really this dumb?!?!?
What are there... about 17 US intelligence agencies. ALL agree that Russia interfered with our election. So, do you honestly believe that all 17 decided to be pro-Democrat and ambush Trump?? Have you ever considered how crazy you sound?
Plus, ALL of our allies have signal intelligence showing Russia meddling in our election. Hell, it was our allies intelligence that started the investigation... well before the Dossier.
Let's not let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
There seems to be a number of constitutional lawyers that do think a sitting president can be indicted, but not prosecuted. The indictments could be the basis for impeachment. I've heard rumblings that there are already sealed indictments for Trump (RICO charges).
It's going to be very rocky over the next few months, but I think we will learn A LOT about the direction of the investigation in the next few months. Although a lot has happened in the last 12 months, I think it's going to move very fast in the coming weeks.