David Roche GOES HOME DEVASTATED from Western States

This is where I really started to doubt their credibility. For one, David admitted in one of his podcasts he’d only read the abstract of a white paper, yet still expressed strong opinions about the science. He also claimed to be fairly anti–strength training, only to later release a strength-training video (with, frankly, terrible form). There’s also a strong appearance of confirmation bias in the research they choose to review. And let’s not forget their compassion and gushing excitement over known drug cheats finding success after returning to sport. Recently, I felt like they more excited about Shelby's trail run than Molly's course record...and it was really irritating.

And, I will add, I’m fine with people changing their minds. But far too often, they start presenting themselves as experts in things they really aren’t. And people believe them — which means some folks are probably getting hurt, or at the very least, wasting their money.

and that's just a small sample, anyone can google up his shifting involvement in spring energy/Awesomesauce, college football stats (spoiler alert, there are none), why he quit football (not for him, injury, couldn't cut it?), whether he said he'd win/set a CR at WS, his local "FKTs", likely marathon time, why he washed out of law, etc.

now, I'm just a simple pee bucket, but what exactly are David's credential's that make him an expert in these areas? it's more than just being fast right? I see he has a BA and JD, but they don't really relate to anything he talks about.

Yes, exactly. And even professionals/experts aren't as confident.

It's plain and simple. They are in the business of duping people. They like and crave the attention.

Preach toxic positivity. Sound excited about this "new, cutting edge advantage" etc.

All to gain social media "popularity" and power. They obviously don't need the money or any sponsorship. Sure they'll still shill AG1 and The Feed because it helps pay director Cody to shoot more youtube content and films for them.

There's a lot of hidden stuff in that household going on I bet..

Megs Zwift numbers are getting out of control. For some reason when she gets outside on a bike though they are average… so weird.

Oh, the Roche guy got injured. Looks like he is not as smart as he thinks he is.

Screenshots suggest she’s using a weight of 95-100lbs, plus or minus 5-10. Note that power numbers on a trainer are almost always higher than real life because no stop signs, slowdowns in corners, less relaxing in downhills, etc.

Yeah. I’m an avid rider on roads and Zwift. Her numbers are laughably fake. It’s on brand.

Nah he will be back and make you sorry arseholes eat your words. Quit being obsessed and find a new hobby.

I hope so, would like a rematch where he actually finishes the race.

Quite a bit of discussion about weight and Zwift on the pod this morning. But they don’t read this forum… not a chance

Put it on your tombstone if it’s such an accomplishment

I've crushed far greater runners, he's just in influencer at this point that took down a niche masters record. I've beat dean K and goggins as well so might not be enough room on the old tombstone.

I wonder if they've apologised to their podcast listeners for misleading them on the topic of Imane Khelif at the Olympics when they said he was female and *I think* I remember they even said he had a womb 🫣. This week Khelif has finally confirmed the obvious himself and has confirmed he is male and has a y chromosome. Will the Roches correct the record as vehemently as they spread the lie?

I know my indoor numbers are higher than outdoor because I do hard work on the trainer and then just ride outside. Maybe she's similar, maybe not. I don't know because I don't pay attention

Do you think she weighs 100ish pounds and he 135ish? I honestly don’t know, but maybe. Pretty easy to do the math on screen shots on Zwift to see what they are using as their weights.

remember, wink wink, they don't weigh themselves so must just be throwing random numbers into Zwift (which is totally okay in Zwift races I'm told). I weigh just a few ounces pre workout.