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Young squad wrote:

Almost seems like Saratoga is becoming the new FM.

Ella Kurto didn’t do bad herself, finishing 14th.

Saratoga the new FM? Before there was FM there was Saratoga.

Stopwatcher wrote:

Guys of course Katelyn Tuohy is winning the runner of the year!

She went undefeated and one nxn and won all of the Races by huge margins

Sydney masciarelli has already lost twice

Taylor ewert has lost twice

Katelyn Tuohy just beat starliper

Obviously she's the runner of the year. They're not going to go buy any sort of time comparison on One race they're going to go by whose resumes the best for the whole year

She has all the top speed ratings and she just won incredibly tough race. Obviously she's the runner of the year

I obviously agree with you that Tuohy is still the top runner, but I'm wondering if Gatorade will still see it that way. Do they analyze all performances or simply performances at NXN and Footlocker? If they only analyze performances at NXN and Footlocker, it's possible that if Dudek, Masciarelli, or Vanderkooi have insane races that Gatorade would choose them instead.

Welcome to a real cross country course Methner!

Chobits wrote:

Tuohy is mortal.

Even with her insane obsessive overtraining, she barely holds on. I think she only has a year or two left in her, maybe.

She doesn't obsessively overtrain. She literally pulled out of Nationals in track so that she wouldn't over do herself. What a petty comment.

benbrandt1 wrote:

Chobits wrote:

Tuohy is mortal.

Even with her insane obsessive overtraining, she barely holds on. I think she only has a year or two left in her, maybe.

She doesn't obsessively overtrain. She literally pulled out of Nationals in track so that she wouldn't over do herself. What a petty comment.

I mean you could also look at it that she pulled out of Nationals in track because she had already over done herself...

No way to know really.

wow what a race!!! some thoughts

1 - that cold wet course threw everyone for a loop

2 - very impressive from Ewert and Thorwaldson

3 - great race by Dorostkar, has a nice future

4 - Tuohy surprisingly responded to that late challenge, I thought the other 2 would go right by her.

5 - Rauber is really slipping, down to 7th (joking)

6 - Saratoga ran their best race on the day that mattered. Their hard charge to that 1st turn might in the end have been the key. Much exaggeration of burnout in their program, they will win again next year.

7 - F-M usually runs their best while other teams choke. Unusually they just had a poor race. (Except Walters!)

8 - Hart will run well next week.

9 - Tuohy still has a 3 yr unbeaten streak in XC, it doesn't matter what happens at Foot Locker, she will win the Gatorade award.

10 - Tuohy also gave a best effort here. The course just beat her up and the chase pack ran really strong races. Even looking back I don't think she would change strategy, as being out front gave her the best (of bad) footing.

Kinetic had 4 in before FM or Summit had 2. Did not see that happening.

Irrelevant comment about the race, but it looked like Tuohy really struggled on the final hill and that's where Ewert and Thorvaldson made up ground . She also did last year, but that's when she admitted going out too fast.

Did it look like that to anyone else or was it the camera angle?

Indoor? wrote:

benbrandt1 wrote:

She doesn't obsessively overtrain. She literally pulled out of Nationals in track so that she wouldn't over do herself. What a petty comment.

I mean you could also look at it that she pulled out of Nationals in track because she had already over done herself...

No way to know really.

Either way, she knows when she has reached her limits. I'm looking forward to watching her run in college!

Collage will be great for Touhy she won’t feel pressure to win every race any more. I think it will be a great refresher for her. She can come in and be a super freshman, but no one is expecting her to win NCAA’s.

Great Oak boys with a TEN second split.

Some numbers.

Tuohy was 41 seconds slower than last year. Ewert was 13 seconds slower. Thorvaldson was 10 seconds faster.

In relation to the boys' winning time, Tuohy's 16:37 last year had her dead on the 11% conversion factor for male/female quality equivalence.

This year she was 16.5% slower than the boys' winning time. Even given some deterioration in course conditions in the girls' race, that's a big drop.

This is a sport where, generally speaking, either the trend is your friend or it's not. Good luck to her.

Congrats to Saratoga middle school for the win

Stopwatcher wrote:

Guys of course Katelyn Tuohy is winning the runner of the year!

She went undefeated and one nxn and won all of the Races by huge margins

Sydney masciarelli has already lost twice

Taylor ewert has lost twice

Katelyn Tuohy just beat starliper

Obviously she's the runner of the year. They're not going to go buy any sort of time comparison on One race they're going to go by whose resumes the best for the whole year

She has all the top speed ratings and she just won incredibly tough race. Obviously she's the runner of the year

If masciarelli or someone else who was not at nxn goes and wins by alot against someone who ran well here and well there AND the conditions are great there so there's no course was trash excuse then they should objectively give the award to the FL winner. Otherwise its got to go to Tuohy.

Tough sport where a single race is an inevitable trend. LOL. Put a way the microscopes for a moment and lets see if a real trend actually shows up in the future. Based on actual results.

Also the Gatorade award should be a yearly award not based on the previous 2 years lol

Everyone runs great in the race they didn't run. This was the title race.

Newbury Park is one of these teams that won the team title without a single person transferring in after 9th grade. When was the last year this happened?

jed23 wrote:

Irrelevant comment about the race, but it looked like Tuohy really struggled on the final hill and that's where Ewert and Thorvaldson made up ground . She also did last year, but that's when she admitted going out too fast.

Did it look like that to anyone else or was it the camera angle?

She WALKED up that last hill, I thought it was done at that point.

Even if someone beats Ewert by 6 minutes at FL and does a backflip across the finish line Tuohy is still the athlete of the year, sorry.