Official NCAA XC Regional Thread -- Including LIVE At-Large Projections

The last time Navy made it was 1997, however, since then they have had individuals qualify. This will be their 11th trip overall.

Watcher of the West wrote:

Rough Scores Top 3?

Stanford 75

Portland 90

UCLA 113

Top 20 Teams in the West

Stanford 75

Portland 90

UCLA 112

Oregon 122

Wash St. 143

Cal 188

boise State 219

San Fran 221

Cal Poly 223

Wash. 262

San Jose St. 340

Gonzaga 341

ASU 367

US Santa B 407

Cal St. Full 428

Loyola MaryM 435

Seattle U 495

St Mary's 528

UC Davis 548

UC irvine 569

LetsRun.com wrote:

I know 5Ks count...I was looking to find whether 3-mile races count. I assume if 5Ks do, then 3-miles do but I'm not sure. Still trying to find it in the rulebook

This kind of system encourages teams not to race.

Why race and get a loss? Why put your best team on the line early and risk qualifying for nationals?

XC Observer wrote:

Even more impressive is Buffalo beating Yale. They've kinda been flying under the radar this whole season. Good to see them take down a school that they, in theory, shouldn't have been close to.

For Yale to show up and compete how they did today, considering what happened two weeks ago, shows resiliency and pride. I don't think I have to say any more.

ConnRunner wrote:

XC Observer wrote:

Even more impressive is Buffalo beating Yale. They've kinda been flying under the radar this whole season. Good to see them take down a school that they, in theory, shouldn't have been close to.

For Yale to show up and compete how they did today, considering what happened two weeks ago, shows resiliency and pride. I don't think I have to say any more.

Uhm, what else were they gonna do?

I've compiled a list of all of the NCAA individual qualifiers. Plus I give you their track PRs as I though it would be neat to see what type of track times it normally takes to make it, plus who is the biggest overachiever . The women's list is done.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/11/2016-ncaa-womens-cross-country-individual-qualfiers-prs/

Please email me if you see any mistakes.

robertjohnson@letsrun.com

kind of crass wrote:

predictionie wrote:

Uhm, what else were they gonna do?

You are correct. It's crass but true. What do you want them to do - honor their dead teammate by quitting on the season?

I'm sure their training wasn't interrupted at all and they were getting great sleep every night. They were probably super in it mentally too.

We're working on our final men's projections. Right now, they differ significantly from Flotrack's predictions.

Flotrack has the following at-large teams

19. BYU

20. Illinois

21. Iowa State

22. UCLA

23. Oregon

24. Washington State

25. Colorado State

26. Dartmouth

27. Providence

28. UTEP

29. Southern Utah

30. Furman

31. Eastern Kentucky

We're still running numbers but right now we have a different order starting at No. 23. I'm wondering if anyone came up with something different than Flotrack. Or was anyone watching their live show? Did they say Washington State pushed Oregon in at No. 23? Because that's where our difference comes.

Right now, our program has Colorado State getting in at No. 23 and Oregon getting in on its own later, at No. 28, followed by Washington State getting in on its own at No. 29.

I also heard they said something about a tiebreaker between Eastern Kentucky and someone else? Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Michigan and Oregon are all tied at 4 wins in our program for the No. 28 spot but Oregon wins the tiebreaker.

We want to make sure we get it right so if anyone knows their explanation as to why they differ, we'd like to hear it.

Women West:

http://www.rtspt.com/events/ncaa/d1westxc16/wres.pdf

Men West:

http://www.rtspt.com/events/ncaa/d1westxc16/mres.pdf

Is Oregon out?

LetsRun.com - I think 3 miles count too for the women. The rule I remember says the race must be at least 3/4 the length of the regional to count, so for women, at least 4.5km.

I don't agree that the system encourages teams not to race. The only way racing can hurt you is if you lose to somebody, then in the qualification you and they are tied on points and they get selected ahead of you because of the head-to-head tiebreaker. But that's pretty rare. Racing can help you a lot more because it's a chance to pick up points.

Wow, UW.

10th and 262 with a 3 as low stick. 259 over 4. Though, I see they only finished 6 guys. Brutal year for the Huskies after such a great showing last year.

Ffffffff wrote:

kind of crass wrote:

You are correct. It's crass but true. What do you want them to do - honor their dead teammate by quitting on the season?

I'm sure their training wasn't interrupted at all and they were getting great sleep every night. They were probably super in it mentally too.

The mental aspect of it definitely has quite an effect. My team performed way below what we were projected the year something similar happened on my team. Even now years later some guys still are still affected by it

Stanford didn't run Ratcliffe??

Any idea whats up with him?

Stanford Women 1st

Stanford Men 1st

cool kid wrote:

Stanford didn't run Ratcliffe??

Any idea whats up with him?

Ratcliffe rested. Same path that Fisher took last year.

Ostberg rested.

Clearly rested him for nationals like they did with Fisher last year.

I believe flotrack claimed that EKU had 5 wins, not 4, and that if Oregon had been one place farther back in the region, they wouldn't have made it. This seems to indicate that they ran the model where Oregon didn't get pushed.

Is this an issue of A teams?

Ffffffff wrote:

kind of crass wrote:

You are correct. It's crass but true. What do you want them to do - honor their dead teammate by quitting on the season?

I'm sure their training wasn't interrupted at all and they were getting great sleep every night. They were probably super in it mentally too.

It's a testament to their coach that they did the only thing before them -- what else were they gonna do -- life has hard lessons -- and life also does go on.

Kudos to them and their coaches. Hopefully they got all the support and counseling they needed to get their workouts in and get sleep etc. Sounds like their coaches and the schools counselors did a good job.