Sage is the kind of kid that reminded the teacher there was homework.
No one takes Hanes's running seriously. Obviously, all the BPN guys (Hopkins included) are on gear. Who cares? If a 55+ age group medal bothers you that bad I will personally buy you one of of Amazon. He, like 99.99% of all runners, is not in the testing pool. He won't get tested, he won't get banned, because no one cares. The juice could not be less worth the squeeze.
As far as media promotion goes, there are worse people than Cam Hanes being lauded as icons of the sport. Sure, Hanes is just some mouth breathing moron with hordes of followers, but he isn't much different than any other non-pro-bro out there.
Take your ball and go home. This act reeks of jealousy and attention. Your time, if you had any, is long gone. Get over it
I’m sorry, are you the gatekeeper of what people are allowed to care about? Why do you feel so compelled to tell others what should or should not be important to them? Now go do your homework…
Sage is the kind of kid that reminded the teacher there was homework.
No one takes Hanes's running seriously. Obviously, all the BPN guys (Hopkins included) are on gear. Who cares? If a 55+ age group medal bothers you that bad I will personally buy you one of of Amazon. He, like 99.99% of all runners, is not in the testing pool. He won't get tested, he won't get banned, because no one cares. The juice could not be less worth the squeeze.
As far as media promotion goes, there are worse people than Cam Hanes being lauded as icons of the sport. Sure, Hanes is just some mouth breathing moron with hordes of followers, but he isn't much different than any other non-pro-bro out there.
Take your ball and go home. This act reeks of jealousy and attention. Your time, if you had any, is long gone. Get over it
I’m sorry, are you the gatekeeper of what people are allowed to care about? Why do you feel so compelled to tell others what should or should not be important to them? Now go do your homework…
You are being a hypocrite. Your insistence that he is a gatekeeper of what people are allowed to care about is in fact your own implied declaration of what you believe people are allowed to care about! What a double standard.
I'm glad Sage reported this. His report wasn't the only report. I think there are at least three or four reports, probably more. I hope USADA can take action on admitted PED use.
Hey thanks for the support guys, much appreciated!
I've been strict about #cleansport ever since I got out of college and became sponsored and realized that doping was a big issue....not just for my personal "pay day and career" but for the integrity and principles of the sport. Here we are busting our balls running 100-140 miles per week looking for the slightest marginal gains naturally and the dopers come in and get that extra 1-5% easy. I ran against EPO cheats (Christian and Eddy etc.), who stole prize money...many "B-level E. Africans" cleaning up left and right. Then I stated ultra-trail running:
I fought against guys that cut swtichbacks on the trails at UTMB and those that don't carry mandatory gear and/or get illegal outside aid station support when it is against the rules of all these races. EPO cheats in the top 10 at UTMB... and then welcomed back with open arms 2 years later...
Call me crazy, but the whole point of endurance sport is that it's hard. It's a personal physical and mental challenge, but it's also a competitive race where your relative performance effects other people. Yeah, as you get older (I'm 40 now) the recovery time and testosterone levels and Vo2max naturally start to drop. I can't run now like I did when I was 25 or 30. That's part of the demands of the sport, aging, and high mileage training!
And now as a "part-time Influencer-Coach" too, I think the Influencers should be held way more accountable. Many are making more money off the sport than sponsored pros. And it comes down to their relative performances and likeness and image too! They are shaping the future "culture of the sport" and if they are making doping seem like it's not a big deal (and normalizing that "the rules don't apply to me culture") than I'm going to fight it with all my might.
So of course I did "target" Cam Hanes. There is a certain amount of responsibility that comes with a large social media following when you're saying you're taking banned PEDs and you're nearing American Record territory for your Age Group at the Marathon and finishing in the top 20 at Cocodona 250 even (last year he did).
And then what about Boston Qualifiers? Marathon Majors Age Group times? Ultra- lottery qualifications?
The amount of "hate comments" I've gotten just on Instagram from all this is astounding. It actually makes me think ultra-trail running is way more dirty than I initially thought (And at all levels too!).
To make matters worse (And if you keep reporting Cam to USADA that may help create some change and precedent...hopefully), you've got individuals like Jamil Coury of Aravaipa Running still "liking" Cam's latest instagram posts and content. (If you don't know 'Aravaipa Running" is like the UTMB monopoly of US trail running ultras...from the Cocodona 250 to Golden Ticket Race like Black Canyon 100km and the Javelina Jundred). His brother actually has the US Men's Record for 24hrs. I myself like to do their races and have entered the Cocodona 250 lottery (a "lottery" that will favor previous runners like Cam Hanes) price tag is $2200 USD all in FYI. But in the past I've done Black Canyon and Javelina and am looking at Desert Solstice etc.
Finally Cam has dipped his media profiles into associating with the likes of not only Courtney Dauwalter and Rachel Entrekin...but also getting likes from Emma Coburn etc. You can see him seem snug on the starting line and promoted by Aravaipa running media (Mountain Outpost) with other "Influencers" like Andy Glaze and Eli Wehbe (to name a few) saying "he's thankful his body allowed him to be there."
Interestingly (but I guess not surprisingly) is some of the most common "push-back" comments I get from his followers (besides one wishing I "ran off a cliff in my next race") was that I'm a "Nerd and Geek!". Well I didn't really know that was a big insult at this day and age..but guilty as charged! Others like to say I'm a "b!atch" (that's usually family guys with little daughters in their profile pic) and a "tattletale" or a "snitch"...um, like are we still in 5th grade or something?? (or is that where their mind stayed over the decades)? In any case many also appear to be on PEDs and probably see it as a personal attack on their "manlihood" or whatever?
Oh, but Cam's a "big man" still because he's going to try to hunt and kill a Bear this month!! (that's beside the point and not a logical argument to his doping, but imo a relevant trait to his "character" imo). Like even as a vegan I understand hunting (deer and elk) can be sustainable and help feed a family. But c'mon A Bear?! That's just "trophy hunting" imo.
In any case. If you support the anti-doping culture. Report him to USADA (And see my latest Instagram posts for more context). Really, the running community on here at least seems to be mostly grounded and intelligent...and I really appreciate and respect that!! So thank you!!
-Sage
I’ve read his post and his other ones on this thread, and man this Sage character comes across like a jealous whiner. Who should be jealous of a fifty-eight year old man? He is almost in his sixties. He probably doesn’t even realize it’s a big deal. He is running second and third rate marathons and b-runner ultras which offer relatively minimal prize money. Nobody is stopping the participants from doping if they’d like. Kudos to Hanes for pursuing a lifestyle and career which is healthy and rewarding instead of working some boring drone office job. A lot of seniors would love to have this guy’s energy and fitness. Sage is just mad because he doesn’t have as many Instagram followers and clearly isn’t making as much money. It’s like the critics who disparaged Dean Karnazes years ago. They couldn’t stand the fact that a slow old man was so much more successful than them.
Running 2:39 at 58 after decades stuck around 2:55 is such a vast improvement that I doubt even the PEDs he's admitted to are enough. Very curious what's in his stack that he doesn't want anyone to know about.
This dude's doping is so obvious it can be seen from outer space, and I agree, it would be really interesting to see everything that's on the menu. He beat a lot of guys who worked really hard, did not cheat, and lost to this d-bag. I wish those guys could know what drugs they lost to.
Who is stopping these old windbags from taking peptides or deer antler spray or whatever? It’s clear that USADA and AIU don’t care what these old b@st#$d% do. Nobody is stopping them. Now that they know that he is doping, the best thing they can do for themselves is join the party. If you can’t beat em join em. If someone is the only idiot standing in the rain with no umbrella, whose fault is that?
1. Firstly, Cam claims it doesn't matter that he cheats because he's not a pro who "gets paid to run". Are you kidding? of course cam profits off of his marathon. he posts videos about it, he brags about it to anyone who will listen, he definitely profits from it.
2. The sheer amount of professional runners who hang around this guy from Emma Coburn to Shelby Houlihan to Katelyn Tuohy really says something about the state of the sport. It's ridiculous that they legitimized him, and that they are seemingly okay with his behavior.
It may have something to do with the fact that he is nearly 60 years old and that he’s a nice guy.
I'm glad Sage reported this. His report wasn't the only report. I think there are at least three or four reports, probably more. I hope USADA can take action on admitted PED use.
Hey thanks for the support guys, much appreciated!
I've been strict about #cleansport ever since I got out of college and became sponsored and realized that doping was a big issue....not just for my personal "pay day and career" but for the integrity and principles of the sport. Here we are busting our balls running 100-140 miles per week looking for the slightest marginal gains naturally and the dopers come in and get that extra 1-5% easy. I ran against EPO cheats (Christian and Eddy etc.), who stole prize money...many "B-level E. Africans" cleaning up left and right. Then I stated ultra-trail running:
I fought against guys that cut swtichbacks on the trails at UTMB and those that don't carry mandatory gear and/or get illegal outside aid station support when it is against the rules of all these races. EPO cheats in the top 10 at UTMB... and then welcomed back with open arms 2 years later...
Call me crazy, but the whole point of endurance sport is that it's hard. It's a personal physical and mental challenge, but it's also a competitive race where your relative performance effects other people. Yeah, as you get older (I'm 40 now) the recovery time and testosterone levels and Vo2max naturally start to drop. I can't run now like I did when I was 25 or 30. That's part of the demands of the sport, aging, and high mileage training!
And now as a "part-time Influencer-Coach" too, I think the Influencers should be held way more accountable. Many are making more money off the sport than sponsored pros. And it comes down to their relative performances and likeness and image too! They are shaping the future "culture of the sport" and if they are making doping seem like it's not a big deal (and normalizing that "the rules don't apply to me culture") than I'm going to fight it with all my might.
So of course I did "target" Cam Hanes. There is a certain amount of responsibility that comes with a large social media following when you're saying you're taking banned PEDs and you're nearing American Record territory for your Age Group at the Marathon and finishing in the top 20 at Cocodona 250 even (last year he did).
And then what about Boston Qualifiers? Marathon Majors Age Group times? Ultra- lottery qualifications?
The amount of "hate comments" I've gotten just on Instagram from all this is astounding. It actually makes me think ultra-trail running is way more dirty than I initially thought (And at all levels too!).
To make matters worse (And if you keep reporting Cam to USADA that may help create some change and precedent...hopefully), you've got individuals like Jamil Coury of Aravaipa Running still "liking" Cam's latest instagram posts and content. (If you don't know 'Aravaipa Running" is like the UTMB monopoly of US trail running ultras...from the Cocodona 250 to Golden Ticket Race like Black Canyon 100km and the Javelina Jundred). His brother actually has the US Men's Record for 24hrs. I myself like to do their races and have entered the Cocodona 250 lottery (a "lottery" that will favor previous runners like Cam Hanes) price tag is $2200 USD all in FYI. But in the past I've done Black Canyon and Javelina and am looking at Desert Solstice etc.
Finally Cam has dipped his media profiles into associating with the likes of not only Courtney Dauwalter and Rachel Entrekin...but also getting likes from Emma Coburn etc. You can see him seem snug on the starting line and promoted by Aravaipa running media (Mountain Outpost) with other "Influencers" like Andy Glaze and Eli Wehbe (to name a few) saying "he's thankful his body allowed him to be there."
Interestingly (but I guess not surprisingly) is some of the most common "push-back" comments I get from his followers (besides one wishing I "ran off a cliff in my next race") was that I'm a "Nerd and Geek!". Well I didn't really know that was a big insult at this day and age..but guilty as charged! Others like to say I'm a "b!atch" (that's usually family guys with little daughters in their profile pic) and a "tattletale" or a "snitch"...um, like are we still in 5th grade or something?? (or is that where their mind stayed over the decades)? In any case many also appear to be on PEDs and probably see it as a personal attack on their "manlihood" or whatever?
Oh, but Cam's a "big man" still because he's going to try to hunt and kill a Bear this month!! (that's beside the point and not a logical argument to his doping, but imo a relevant trait to his "character" imo). Like even as a vegan I understand hunting (deer and elk) can be sustainable and help feed a family. But c'mon A Bear?! That's just "trophy hunting" imo.
In any case. If you support the anti-doping culture. Report him to USADA (And see my latest Instagram posts for more context). Really, the running community on here at least seems to be mostly grounded and intelligent...and I really appreciate and respect that!! So thank you!!
-Sage
I'm with you until the Bear Hunting crackback. Bear hunting is a legal and productive activity. It is heavily regulated and requires a license. It is essential to maintaining balance in an ecosystem that otherwise would become unbalanced. Bear is edible, and tastes like pork. The hides are often used as rugs. Very few deer and elk hides are used for anything-but are thrown away. I appreciate your Veganism, and that you choose not to consume meat or hunt. However, you should not cast judgement about an activity that you clearly don't understand the benefits of. And also, the overwhelming majority of hunters are not in it to be a "big man." If you know, you know.
Wait so you are incensed because you feel that Hanes shouldn’t be allowed to include running in his own brand, which is completely his choice? I didn’t realize you are the arbiter of running content. Thank you for your insistence that Hanes shouldn’t be allowed to be himself and express himself. I am ashamed I didn’t recognize your authority.
I’m sorry, are you the gatekeeper of what people are allowed to care about? Why do you feel so compelled to tell others what should or should not be important to them? Now go do your homework…
You are being a hypocrite. Your insistence that he is a gatekeeper of what people are allowed to care about is in fact your own implied declaration of what you believe people are allowed to care about! What a double standard.
He’s not beta. He is incredibly alpha. He goes on African big game hunting safari excursions and occasionally bets prodigious sums of money and elephant ivory tusks on riverboat gambling cruises. He’s a hero, and is someone who you actual betas and gammas should look up to. Cam is running’s answer to Ernest Hemingway. He’s a scotch man, who enjoys a nice Cuban cigar, and enjoys billiards instead of pool.
Fight to the death in Nick Bare's backyard. To handicap Hanes, he has to get off gear and off meat for two months leading to the fight; Sage has to hop on Hanes's cycle and forgo Veganism for two months.
Fight to the death in Nick Bare's backyard. To handicap Hanes, he has to get off gear and off meat for two months leading to the fight; Sage has to hop on Hanes's cycle and forgo Veganism for two months.
Let the best man win
crazy these guys are drooling to watch g-affirming old dudes run
You are being a hypocrite. Your insistence that he is a gatekeeper of what people are allowed to care about is in fact your own implied declaration of what you believe people are allowed to care about! What a double standard.
Oh wow… you really “got me”
Of course I did. Your hypocrisy is more transparent than a newly installed glass window pane.
Fight to the death in Nick Bare's backyard. To handicap Hanes, he has to get off gear and off meat for two months leading to the fight; Sage has to hop on Hanes's cycle and forgo Veganism for two months.
Let the best man win
Not fair. Cam shouldn’t have to downgrade himself to Sage’s beta weaknesses. It should be incumbent on Slowpoke Sage to gear up and eat red meat like a real man, I agree with that.