Editor's Note: We changed the title of the thread to be more descriptive. Original title was "Mallard Creek DQ." Here is an article about the DQ: http://charlotteobserver.com/s...
Here is a new video showing what the runner in question did earlier in the meet after winning the 300 hurdles. The official claim she warned him after that win even though what he did in that win seems fine: https://x.com/Sheena_Marie3/st...
You can say this as often as you'd like. You'd be wrong as often as you say it.
Well, the only opinion that *actually* makes a difference called it a violation, when the person who made the call was presumably in the best position and with the most information to determine that a violation occurred.
So, there’s that. Again, I don’t agree with the level of punishment. But it’s sort of hard to argue he was 100% in the right when the video shows otherwise.
dude, that was a packed state meet and i have seen 2 camera angles. that is not "the official is the only one who really knows what happened."
and there was no thought to it. watch the video. kid does celebration, within a second or two he passes by an official, who must have immediately conveyed a DQ, as the kid turns around and looks shocked.
and if you watch the official, he's not exactly pulling the kid aside for an explanation. he just breezes on by like he thinks he runs the place. that alone i detest. if you are going to drop that gauntlet have the guts to tell the kid why you just ruined his state meet. that's how soccer generally rolls. you get a quick explanation and your card. otherwise i think it's a power trip.
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel."
he's not addressing an official
no criticizing
no profanity towards someone else
no physical contact
i already explained how it's not taunting to celebrate your own "W" without reference to others
i don't see how it's "flagrant," "unethical," "dishonrable"
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel."
he's not addressing an official
no criticizing
no profanity towards someone else
no physical contact
i already explained how it's not taunting to celebrate your own "W" without reference to others
i don't see how it's "flagrant," "unethical," "dishonrable"
i have run out of rule to punish the kid for
Under oath, have the kid explain why his raised left arm with open hand, just before the finish line, was facing towards the competition (behind him) and not forward. The former is awkward and forced (i.e., intentional) compared to the latter which would be the logical position.
In short, it was a taunt. The kid messed up and his immature decision cost his team the State title (for now, under appeal).
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel."
he's not addressing an official
no criticizing
no profanity towards someone else
no physical contact
i already explained how it's not taunting to celebrate your own "W" without reference to others
i don't see how it's "flagrant," "unethical," "dishonrable"
i have run out of rule to punish the kid for
Under oath, have the kid explain why his raised left arm with open hand, just before the finish line, was facing towards the competition (behind him) and not forward. The former is awkward and forced (i.e., intentional) compared to the latter which would be the logical position.
In short, it was a taunt. The kid messed up and his immature decision cost his team the State title (for now, under appeal).
he's showing off his the 5 rings you blithering idiot. His open palm has absolutely no meaning to anyone behind him or he would have turned around to make sure they saw it.
Announcements were made at the coaches meeting (prior to the start of the meet) that ANY on-track celebration may result in disqualification. How many warnings are sufficient?
BS, and quite stupid as well. Just a bunch of overzealous fat as coaches wanting to teach life lessons here no lesson is to be taught. Get the eff out of track if you think the correct action was taken.
"Unsporting conduct is behavior that is unethical or dishonorable. It includes, but is not limited to: disrespectfully addressing an official, any flagrant behavior, intentional contact, taunting, criticizing or using profanity directed toward someone. This shall apply to all coaches, contestants, and other team/school personnel."
he's not addressing an official
no criticizing
no profanity towards someone else
no physical contact
i already explained how it's not taunting to celebrate your own "W" without reference to others
i don't see how it's "flagrant," "unethical," "dishonrable"
i have run out of rule to punish the kid for
Under oath, have the kid explain why his raised left arm with open hand, just before the finish line, was facing towards the competition (behind him) and not forward. The former is awkward and forced (i.e., intentional) compared to the latter which would be the logical position.
In short, it was a taunt. The kid messed up and his immature decision cost his team the State title (for now, under appeal).
Well, the only opinion that *actually* makes a difference called it a violation, when the person who made the call was presumably in the best position and with the most information to determine that a violation occurred.
So, there’s that. Again, I don’t agree with the level of punishment. But it’s sort of hard to argue he was 100% in the right when the video shows otherwise.
dude, that was a packed state meet and i have seen 2 camera angles. that is not "the official is the only one who really knows what happened."
and there was no thought to it. watch the video. kid does celebration, within a second or two he passes by an official, who must have immediately conveyed a DQ, as the kid turns around and looks shocked.
and if you watch the official, he's not exactly pulling the kid aside for an explanation. he just breezes on by like he thinks he runs the place. that alone i detest. if you are going to drop that gauntlet have the guts to tell the kid why you just ruined his state meet. that's how soccer generally rolls. you get a quick explanation and your card. otherwise i think it's a power trip.
It was 100% a power trip and the official should be banned from officiating ever again. It was a washed-up loser adult trying to be important and turning a big meet into a complete joke.
If you can reference all other athletes who received a “warning” for the same behavior, and what rule was broken in the 300mH that you claim was brought up in the coaches meeting, then maybe you have a sliver of argument here. However since you can’t, you’re just grasping at straws. Unfortunate that people with your state of mind seemingly have real bearing on the results of the sport.
During the coaches meeting, coaches were given explicit warning against on track celebrations. Phrases like “Act like you’ve been there before.” and (paraphrasing) “Save the celebrations for off the track.” I wasn’t monitoring celebrations as I had athletes to coach. I learned about the Mallard Creek 300mH warning after the meet and was pleased the officials used discretion. Mallard Creek ignored the coaches meeting instructions and the athlete ignored an individual warning, yet you’re placing blame on “corrupt officials” rather than accepting accountability for the athlete’s actions.
Watching the video, I can understand why a warning was issued after the 300m hurdles. However, I can't understand how the 4x400 resulted in a disqualification even after a warning. There's no equivalency in what happened at the end of the two races.
Ok. I watched the 300 hurdles. He didn't do anything worthy of a warning. He CELEBRATED his win. I'm all for people showing joy when they win.
I'm all for DQing people who taunt.
He didn't taunt.
Both celebrations were fine. There shouldn't have been no warning after the hurldes and no DQ after the 4 x 400.
Look, if there was some past history of teams fighting, etc, I could understand officials saying - don't do a damn thing or we'll shut down the meet - but that's not the case here.
The official was in the wrong and the athlete was in the wrong. Two things can be true at the same time.
We all know that the celebration rules in track and field are pretty clear. We all learned this when we ran. However, there’s been a bit of a culture shift where certain athletes just can’t resist making races about themselves. But sadly, the official made it about themselves too. But the rules have mostly stayed consistent. Celebrate like this, even if it’s minor, and you run a real risk something bad will happen. When I ran, teams sometimes got a DQ if a runner raised the baton before crossing the line. It was seen as taunting and unsportsmanlike.
With that said, there is no harm in an official taking an athlete aside and using it as a teaching moment. Disqualification is far too punitive for this level of celebration. Sometimes people learn more from appropriately measured consequences (which here, should have been a simple admonishment), versus punishing an athlete far too vindictively as well as punishing the entire team.
Plus, I’m not sure we can take the official at their word that there was a previous warning. There’s no corroboration of that. It’s just as likely that they knew they went way over the top but needed to come up with some justification to keep their job.
Nope. Only the anal-retentive power-tripping official was in the wrong. The kid did nothing wrong at all.
What I find most remarkable is the instantaneous DQ in this situation. 3 seconds, maybe? To me, this evokes a reflexive, rather than reflective decision-making. Kind of like an immediate red flag when an athlete steps over the board during a long jump. I don't think it is possible to put an appropriate amount of thought and consideration into validating DQ in such a short period of time.
Add this to the long list of instances I’ve seen in High School and Middle School track where “officials” use their position to disqualify athletes or relay teams not for actual or serious infractions but for the personal benefits of individuals or teams or as a vendetta again people or teams they dislike. I have seen it time and again.
It is so rampant in some cities and states that it undermines our sport. I had official get cussing mad because I reminded my daughter to give me her stud earrings as she headed to the start line (because somehow that was illegal to wear) because the official was planning on using it to get her DQ’ed because no-one on the officials team could beat her.
Yet another example of adults ruining kids sports.
Ok, so now I am seeing compilation videos (Instagram) of other event winners from this same meet, crossing the line and holding up a #1 finger, or doing airplane wings, etc., and none of them were DQed.
When you look at this athlete's casual celebration (DQed) alongside the other casual celebrations (not DQed), the DQ looks MUCH, MUCH worse.
This was selective enforcement that cost a whole team the greatest team achievement in our sport, at their level.
Ok, so now I am seeing compilation videos (Instagram) of other event winners from this same meet, crossing the line and holding up a #1 finger, or doing airplane wings, etc., and none of them were DQed.
When you look at this athlete's casual celebration (DQed) alongside the other casual celebrations (not DQed), the DQ looks MUCH, MUCH worse.
This was selective enforcement that cost a whole team the greatest team achievement in our sport, at their level.
This is a good argument to scrutinize the officials, but not a very good argument to excuse any one athlete’s choice to taunt or yell.
It’s sort of like when people complain about getting a speeding ticket when lots of other people also speed and aren’t caught. All of that is true… but you were still speeding.