Army will be in mourning (and shock) for a bit since Cooper won the indoor WC gold. Same goes for the “knows” loon. Suicide watch might not be a bad idea for those two.
You aren't being attacked, you're being shown that you can't understand an argument. The examples I gave are very relevant to the point I was responding to about Lutkenhaus. Claims that a runner has "gold for the taking" has been shown to be false with examples of other favorites who have failed to win when it was similarly there "for the taking".
Saying "you're a bit slow" is an attack.
No, citing examples of other runners in different events against different competition in a different setting (outdoors) is not relevant in a thread about Cooper. Those other runners are not Cooper.
My initial comment about the gold being Cooper's for the taking was meant to be fun banter (OF COURSE nothing is guaranteed in this sport), but you had to go take all the fun out of it with your irrelevant examples and your weird compulsion to take shots at Hocker and Jakob.
If you wanted to challenge my comment, the only relevant ways to do it would have been to talk about Cooper himself (inexperience) or the strong competition he is facing. Not guys who do other events.
Any runner can be compared with any other heavily favoured runner, who was beaten, to show that being favorite doesn't guarantee a win. But being favorite may mean the odds favour them. That was so for Lutkenhaus yesterday but it doesn't mean they must win. Hocker - whose achievements currently outstrip those of Lutkenhaus - just experienced that at the hands of Kerr.
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Army will be in mourning (and shock) for a bit since Cooper won the indoor WC gold. Same goes for the “knows” loon. Suicide watch might not be a bad idea for those two.
That he won is a matter of complete indifference for me. This was a thread about what a 21.8 flying 200 shows. It has nothing to do with the indoor 800 final. That race changes nothing about what I have previously posted.
No, citing examples of other runners in different events against different competition in a different setting (outdoors) is not relevant in a thread about Cooper. Those other runners are not Cooper.
My initial comment about the gold being Cooper's for the taking was meant to be fun banter (OF COURSE nothing is guaranteed in this sport), but you had to go take all the fun out of it with your irrelevant examples and your weird compulsion to take shots at Hocker and Jakob.
If you wanted to challenge my comment, the only relevant ways to do it would have been to talk about Cooper himself (inexperience) or the strong competition he is facing. Not guys who do other events.
Any runner can be compared with any other heavily favoured runner, who was beaten, to show that being favorite doesn't guarantee a win. But being favorite may mean the odds favour them. That was so for Lutkenhaus yesterday but it doesn't mean they must win. Hocker - whose achievements currently outstrip those of Lutkenhaus - just experienced that at the hands of Kerr.
Other runners in different events against different competition in a different setting tell us nothing about Cooper.
At the very least, you could have chosen an example of an 800m favorite who lost indoors and talked about the nuances of that event and how those play out in an indoor setting. Bringing up a 1500m runner only demonstrated your weird fixation with taking shots at Hocker. It told us nothing about Cooper, the event he was contesting, or the competition he was facing.
In the very specific racing context where I said the gold was Cooper's for the taking, he took it. No other races involving different people in different events against different competition are relevant to the discussion of Cooper.
Army will be in mourning (and shock) for a bit since Cooper won the indoor WC gold. Same goes for the “knows” loon. Suicide watch might not be a bad idea for those two.
That he won is a matter of complete indifference for me. This was a thread about what a 21.8 flying 200 shows. It has nothing to do with the indoor 800 final. That race changes nothing about what I have previously posted.
His flying 200 showed that he was in excellent form and ready to take the gold in Poland. He did, as I said he would.
Any runner can be compared with any other heavily favoured runner, who was beaten, to show that being favorite doesn't guarantee a win. But being favorite may mean the odds favour them. That was so for Lutkenhaus yesterday but it doesn't mean they must win. Hocker - whose achievements currently outstrip those of Lutkenhaus - just experienced that at the hands of Kerr.
Other runners in different events against different competition in a different setting tell us nothing about Cooper.
At the very least, you could have chosen an example of an 800m favorite who lost indoors and talked about the nuances of that event and how those play out in an indoor setting. Bringing up a 1500m runner only demonstrated your weird fixation with taking shots at Hocker. It told us nothing about Cooper, the event he was contesting, or the competition he was facing.
In the very specific racing context where I said the gold was Cooper's for the taking, he took it. No other races involving different people in different events against different competition are relevant to the discussion of Cooper.
All runners are competing against other runners. They are also competing in a sport that has a long tradition of competitive running, that invites comparisons between athletes. Almost every thread here involves comparisons between athletes. Without such comparisons we wouldn't know the difference between levels of athletes (and what is credible or not). One of the things the sport has shown is that being a favorite does not guarantee victory. Since I have often seen confident predictions been shown to be false that was essentially my point. Nothing else. I didn't say Lutkenhaus couldn't win or wasn't going to win but that it is never in the bag until an athlete crosses the line. That is what we have recently seen with Hocker and Ingebrigtsen. Notwithstanding his recent victory Lutkenhaus won't win every race he enters - and he hasn't.
That he won is a matter of complete indifference for me. This was a thread about what a 21.8 flying 200 shows. It has nothing to do with the indoor 800 final. That race changes nothing about what I have previously posted.
His flying 200 showed that he was in excellent form and ready to take the gold in Poland. He did, as I said he would.
That wasn't the issue raised by the thread topic. It was how fast is he over 200 FAT given his time with a flying start. The indoor finals is a separate and unrelated topic.
His flying 200 showed that he was in excellent form and ready to take the gold in Poland. He did, as I said he would.
That wasn't the issue raised by the thread topic. It was how fast is he over 200 FAT given his time with a flying start. The indoor finals is a separate and unrelated topic.
Incorrect. You are making things up. The thread title simply stated that he ran that time in practice. Then the OP posted the video and wrote "Discuss".
Most people understood the relevance of this information with the upcoming World Championships. You didn't.
That wasn't the issue raised by the thread topic. It was how fast is he over 200 FAT given his time with a flying start. The indoor finals is a separate and unrelated topic.
Incorrect. You are making things up. The thread title simply stated that he ran that time in practice. Then the OP posted the video and wrote "Discuss".
Most people understood the relevance of this information with the upcoming World Championships. You didn't.
Exactly. And the point of Cooper's workout wasn't to prepare for a 200m race. It was obviously to get him ready for the world indoor 800m race. The workout showed he was ready to take the gold.
Army will be in mourning (and shock) for a bit since Cooper won the indoor WC gold. Same goes for the “knows” loon. Suicide watch might not be a bad idea for those two.
That he won is a matter of complete indifference for me. This was a thread about what a 21.8 flying 200 shows. It has nothing to do with the indoor 800 final. That race changes nothing about what I have previously posted.
Sure. 😂 Cooper’s win has you more agitated than usual. You should probably have people watching you this week to make sure you don’t harm yourself.
Other runners in different events against different competition in a different setting tell us nothing about Cooper.
At the very least, you could have chosen an example of an 800m favorite who lost indoors and talked about the nuances of that event and how those play out in an indoor setting. Bringing up a 1500m runner only demonstrated your weird fixation with taking shots at Hocker. It told us nothing about Cooper, the event he was contesting, or the competition he was facing.
In the very specific racing context where I said the gold was Cooper's for the taking, he took it. No other races involving different people in different events against different competition are relevant to the discussion of Cooper.
All runners are competing against other runners. They are also competing in a sport that has a long tradition of competitive running, that invites comparisons between athletes. Almost every thread here involves comparisons between athletes. Without such comparisons we wouldn't know the difference between levels of athletes (and what is credible or not). One of the things the sport has shown is that being a favorite does not guarantee victory. Since I have often seen confident predictions been shown to be false that was essentially my point. Nothing else. I didn't say Lutkenhaus couldn't win or wasn't going to win but that it is never in the bag until an athlete crosses the line. That is what we have recently seen with Hocker and Ingebrigtsen. Notwithstanding his recent victory Lutkenhaus won't win every race he enters - and he hasn't.
I never made a sweeping generalization about how favorites do in competitive running across multiple events. And I didn't say Cooper would win every race he enters.
I only said the gold was Cooper's for the taking. In that one race against that one field. Next time try to stay on topic.
Incorrect. You are making things up. The thread title simply stated that he ran that time in practice. Then the OP posted the video and wrote "Discuss".
Most people understood the relevance of this information with the upcoming World Championships. You didn't.
Exactly. And the point of Cooper's workout wasn't to prepare for a 200m race. It was obviously to get him ready for the world indoor 800m race. The workout showed he was ready to take the gold.
Bingo. Accurate post.
Btw, CL’s coach went on record saying he thinks CL is capable of running 44-high for 400 right now. And while I myself don’t quite believe that, I would think his coach would know better than any of us based on his history and experience w CL and his workouts. So, if that’s even remotely true, then that flying 21.8 at the end of the workout was indicative of nothing as far as CL’s shorter distance capability. Which is what I said to begin with. Obviously they know that CL was well within himself on that 21.8. Well within himself.
It is weird the Armstrong has such a fixation with Hocker, mainly because he thinks he’s on drugs.
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That wasn't the issue raised by the thread topic. It was how fast is he over 200 FAT given his time with a flying start. The indoor finals is a separate and unrelated topic.
Incorrect. You are making things up. The thread title simply stated that he ran that time in practice. Then the OP posted the video and wrote "Discuss".
Most people understood the relevance of this information with the upcoming World Championships. You didn't.
Since a whole bunch of runners we have never heard of at international level have run faster than 22.6 FAT (21.8 flying start) his 200 time says nothing about whether he would win the world indoors 800.
Incorrect. You are making things up. The thread title simply stated that he ran that time in practice. Then the OP posted the video and wrote "Discuss".
Most people understood the relevance of this information with the upcoming World Championships. You didn't.
Exactly. And the point of Cooper's workout wasn't to prepare for a 200m race. It was obviously to get him ready for the world indoor 800m race. The workout showed he was ready to take the gold.
No, it didn't. Other runners could achieve the same work out and do and it wouldn't be an indication they are going to win a world title. Lutkenhaus didn't show he could run faster than 22 for 200FAT in that work out. That is pedestrian for a top 800 runner.
That he won is a matter of complete indifference for me. This was a thread about what a 21.8 flying 200 shows. It has nothing to do with the indoor 800 final. That race changes nothing about what I have previously posted.
Sure. 😂 Cooper’s win has you more agitated than usual. You should probably have people watching you this week to make sure you don’t harm yourself.
The only agitation here is those who can't cope with my comments about CL's unexceptional 200 run.