Official Minnesota ICE shooting thread

reallybroreally wrote:

SB wrote:

Interesting. If she intended to hit him, why didn't she? How hard would it have been, given that he was standing 3 feet in front of her car? Why, after death, did her car not proceed in the direction of the shooter if she'd been aiming at him?

To me, this is a really unfortunate incident. I can't say whether the shooting was justified or not. Analyzing things in slow motion or fixed frames does not reflect what was going on. The lady put herself in a bad place by obstructing ICE (we hear), ignoring their orders to get out of the car and then accelerating to leave. She may have not even know the officer was in her path if she was focused on those who approached from her left and were giving the order to get out of the car. So another mistake on her part. How anyone would react if a car suddenly moves at you from several feet away is an unknown. The officer had maybe a second to react. Unfortunately, if enough people unlawfully hinder/obstruct LE at some point something like this is going to happen. And that is why it would be better for all if local LE would do crowd control while ICE does their thing. But they refuse to so things get out of control and people make mistakes - this lady and maybe the LE officer. And in this case, someone got killed. But labelling ICE as terrorists or murders only increases the chances that a situation like this will develop again.

joedlrt wrote:

Onceandfuture wrote:

I'm from the UK so this is all very alien to me but it seems absolutely insane that anyone can be arguing that the shooting can in anyway be justified as a response to her using the vehicle as a deadly weapon. She 100% hits him and I'd be all for her being punished for reckless driving and she's clearly creating a problem by being there in the first place. BUT the contact is fairly minimal and at low speed, in no way a risk to the agents life, she's clearly turning away from him and he continues firing after he's moved completely out of the way and she's trying to drive in the opposite direction.

Do I think she's an idiot and put herself into a potentially dangerous situation in a stupid way and then made a bad decision in clipping the guy while trying to drive away, yes. Do I think she ever 'tried to weaponise her vehicle and kill the agent', obviously not. There's nothing there that justifies lethal force and it's mind blowing that people think there is.

At low speed? She floored it on an icy road. I have a friend who was hit by a car in a parking lot at low speed. It broke both of her knees. She used to be a runner. She spent over a year in PT. When an officer gives you an order to get out of your car and you speed away while they are in contact with your car and are at multiple compass points, you can kill or gravely injure any one of them. Do you know how many people die just slipping on ice each year? About 17,000 in the US alone. Her actions endangered the lives of numerous people.

Admin wrote:

reallybroreally wrote:

To me, this is a really unfortunate incident. I can't say whether the shooting was justified or not. Analyzing things in slow motion or fixed frames does not reflect what was going on. The lady put herself in a bad place by obstructing ICE (we hear), ignoring their orders to get out of the car and then accelerating to leave. She may have not even know the officer was in her path if she was focused on those who approached from her left and were giving the order to get out of the car. So another mistake on her part. How anyone would react if a car suddenly moves at you from several feet away is an unknown. The officer had maybe a second to react. Unfortunately, if enough people unlawfully hinder/obstruct LE at some point something like this is going to happen. And that is why it would be better for all if local LE would do crowd control while ICE does their thing. But they refuse to so things get out of control and people make mistakes - this lady and maybe the LE officer. And in this case, someone got killed. But labelling ICE as terrorists or murders only increases the chances that a situation like this will develop again.

>Obstructing Ice

She wasn't. Watch the videos.

>Ignoring orders

Ice doesn't have the right to order her. She was in front of her house. They don't have the right to do anything traffic enforcement or anything other immigration. There is no difference between this and a "thug" with a gun and mask approaching your mother in a parking lot.

>Accelerating to leave

As opposed to breaking? How the f do you move a car forward without "accelerating".

You have the legal right to walk / drive away from ice. You are a US citizen. They are not LE. How is this so difficult to understand????????