That’s the most worthless validation one could ask for, but BYU deserves to be #1.
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They currently have NC St Individuals ranked 2/9/12/22/47 ==>92
They currently have BYU individuals ranked 3/20/29/50 and ??? Insert Hutchins at 15? ==>117
They rank BYU 1
Stride Report They currently have NC St Individuals ranked 4/7/18/20/36 ==>85
They currently have BYU individuals ranked 3/13/44 and ??? Insert Hutchins at 15? and someone at 55? ==>130
They rank NC St 1
I think at 1-3 + 5 the teams in total are very close (including Hutchins) but right now it seems NC St has a decent edge at #4 while BYU has a decent edge at 6/7 (essentially 3 equal #5s). But that is based on just the latest race.
I’d still rank BYU over NC State. They’re always able to bring it and peak very well. And their depth looks unbeatable right now.
Thank you for being a voice of reason on this. If only the Top 3 scored at NCAAs, without injuries across multiple programs, I just don’t see ND being in the Top 5.
I do think ND could find themselves on the podium in the next couple years as their 2025 recruiting class matures and develops, but BYU and NC State are stacked for the foreseeable future and the recruiting of Kenyans isn’t slowing down.
The top 5 score which is why depth matters and a dismal result in the 5th spot can sink a team performance. Look at Georgetown at Nuttycombe. The 5th spot is going to plague Florida and Oregon and this is what could push them out of contention.
I tend to have a long memory, maybe too long. But Thompson was 32nd last year and scored somewhere in the high 20s I believe, and Barnett was 44th in 2022 and scored 37 I believe.....and this is a flat fast course.....so I am not dismissing what they might do. FL is looking like a different issue though.
They currently have NC St Individuals ranked 2/9/12/22/47 ==>92
They currently have BYU individuals ranked 3/20/29/50 and ??? Insert Hutchins at 15? ==>117
They rank BYU 1
Stride Report They currently have NC St Individuals ranked 4/7/18/20/36 ==>85
They currently have BYU individuals ranked 3/13/44 and ??? Insert Hutchins at 15? and someone at 55? ==>130
They rank NC St 1
I think at 1-3 + 5 the teams in total are very close (including Hutchins) but right now it seems NC St has a decent edge at #4 while BYU has a decent edge at 6/7 (essentially 3 equal #5s). But that is based on just the latest race.
I’d still rank BYU over NC State. They’re always able to bring it and peak very well. And their depth looks unbeatable right now.
Says the asshat that copied my handle. Sorry bud, too bad for a thief like you that you won’t be able to copy my intelligence.
I’d still rank BYU over NC State. They’re always able to bring it and peak very well. And their depth looks unbeatable right now.
Says the asshat that copied my handle. Sorry bud, too bad for a thief like you that you won’t be able to copy my intelligence.
My apologies if you were just trying to be funny, unlike the forum’s chief troll that is psychotically petulent.
BTW, I keep slightly changing my handle, because this website sometimes bogs my phone down so much that I have to clean out cookies and/or reset it.
So why don’t I just register a handle like TuohyFan did? Because I don’t want to give these guys anymore info that who knows what they will do with it. So consequently I open myself up to handle-copycat trolls. I suppose that’s another valid reason to dissuade me from coming back.
I’d still rank BYU over NC State. They’re always able to bring it and peak very well. And their depth looks unbeatable right now.
They have 5-7 depth, but not #4 depth. That is the major difference maker. And NC State’s #5 is stronger than those BYU 5-7’s. NC State’s #5 Englehardt probably has potential to continue to sharpen , putting her on level with their current #4.
I’d still rank BYU over NC State. They’re always able to bring it and peak very well. And their depth looks unbeatable right now.
They have 5-7 depth, but not #4 depth. That is the major difference maker. And NC State’s #5 is stronger than those BYU 5-7’s. NC State’s #5 Englehardt probably has potential to continue to sharpen , putting her on level with their current #4.
To clarify, I meant putting her up there alongside NC State’s #4, Michalak. What a lineup!
They have 5-7 depth, but not #4 depth. That is the major difference maker. And NC State’s #5 is stronger than those BYU 5-7’s. NC State’s #5 Englehardt probably has potential to continue to sharpen , putting her on level with their current #4.
To clarify, I meant putting her up there alongside NC State’s #4, Michalak. What a lineup!
Here’s the USTFCCCA cross country rating index that launched today. It ranks teams and individuals across all divisions, and conferences. We can argue on the merits of it, but here we go:
To clarify, I meant putting her up there alongside NC State’s #4, Michalak. What a lineup!
Here’s the USTFCCCA cross country rating index that launched today. It ranks teams and individuals across all divisions, and conferences. We can argue on the merits of it, but here we go:
They have 5-7 depth, but not #4 depth. That is the major difference maker. And NC State’s #5 is stronger than those BYU 5-7’s. NC State’s #5 Englehardt probably has potential to continue to sharpen , putting her on level with their current #4.
To clarify, I meant putting her up there alongside NC State’s #4, Michalak. What a lineup!
But that being said, I fully expect Oregon's team of Kenyans + their 28 year old Silan Ayyildiz to blow past BYU and NC State once the real racing gets underway.
To clarify, I meant putting her up there alongside NC State’s #4, Michalak. What a lineup!
But that being said, I fully expect Oregon's team of Kenyans + their 28 year old Silan Ayyildiz to blow past BYU and NC State once the real racing gets underway.
Nice try, but I already compared NC State with Oregon above.
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We now have a reasonable simulation from LACCTiC that requires less manual tweaking for a useful simulation! Its verdict:
But that being said, I fully expect Oregon's team of Kenyans + their 28 year old Silan Ayyildiz to blow past BYU and NC State once the real racing gets underway.
Nice try, but I already compared NC State with Oregon above.
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NC State under BYU by…139 points! Wait…what?
when I ran it I had to check the include runners not on roster to get Jane H......and inactive to get Jenna H, and then delete Anderson of NC St...so check who is shown on BYU and NC St...it is much closer than 139 points!
Nice try, but I already compared NC State with Oregon above.
The main purpose of this message is to announce LACCTiC has been updated with PreNats data!
We now have a reasonable simulation from LACCTiC that requires less manual tweaking for a useful simulation! Its verdict:
NC State under BYU by…139 points! Wait…what?
when I ran it I had to check the include runners not on roster to get Jane H......and inactive to get Jenna H, and then delete Anderson of NC St...so check who is shown on BYU and NC St...it is much closer than 139 points!
when I ran it I had to check the include runners not on roster to get Jane H......and inactive to get Jenna H, and then delete Anderson of NC St...so check who is shown on BYU and NC St...it is much closer than 139 points!
What’s the verdict?
I think around 20 points or so, with NC St given 90% chance of winning
That looks like a good display of the Team’s Top 5 Average Rating. Howevere, when I scroll down that page to look at the individual runners, there is no Pamela Kosgei. Maybe because she hasn’t yet run a meet? Nonetheless, you included her when computing New Mexico’s Top 5 Average Rating.
That looks like a good display of the Team’s Top 5 Average Rating. Howevere, when I scroll down that page to look at the individual runners, there is no Pamela Kosgei. Maybe because she hasn’t yet run a meet? Nonetheless, you included her when computing New Mexico’s Top 5 Average Rating.
As another example, Oregon’s Ayyildiz is also not included in the list of runners:
She too has not yet run in a meet, but was included in LACCTiC’s List of Runners.
It would be nice to have all runners included in the list (at least all that were included in computing a team’s Top 5)…and maybe have the trash can icon beside them so that they can optionally be dropped.
That looks like a good display of the Team’s Top 5 Average Rating. Howevere, when I scroll down that page to look at the individual runners, there is no Pamela Kosgei. Maybe because she hasn’t yet run a meet? Nonetheless, you included her when computing New Mexico’s Top 5 Average Rating.
As another example, Oregon’s Ayyildiz is also not included in the list of runners:
She too has not yet run in a meet, but was included in LACCTiC’s List of Runners.
It would be nice to have all runners included in the list (at least all that were included in computing a team’s Top 5)…and maybe have the trash can icon beside them so that they can optionally be dropped.
Edit: She too has not yet run in a meet, but was included in LACCTiC’s computation of average of top five runners.
That looks like a good display of the Team’s Top 5 Average Rating. Howevere, when I scroll down that page to look at the individual runners, there is no Pamela Kosgei. Maybe because she hasn’t yet run a meet? Nonetheless, you included her when computing New Mexico’s Top 5 Average Rating.
I am on New Mexicos page right now. Their top 5 average is not computed using Pamela Kosgei (or the average would be much faster).
In the simulator, there is a trash can to delete runners. The tables themselves are just displaying information from the database and are not mutable.
Nice try, but I already compared NC State with Oregon above.
The main purpose of this message is to announce LACCTiC has been updated with PreNats data!
We now have a reasonable simulation from LACCTiC that requires less manual tweaking for a useful simulation! Its verdict:
NC State under BYU by…139 points! Wait…what?
when I ran it I had to check the include runners not on roster to get Jane H......and inactive to get Jenna H, and then delete Anderson of NC St...so check who is shown on BYU and NC St...it is much closer than 139 points!
Okay, I now see what you did, and here is the result:
Recall, in my simulation listed earlier in this thread, post #95, I had NC State under BYU by 29 points, as follows:
BYU……………….vs….NC State Hedengren 15:03……..Hartman 15:10 (+4) Chamberlain 15:24…..Napoleon 15:30 (+2) Hutchins 15:30………….Gapes 15:30 (+0) Rohatinsky 15:50………Michalak 15:33 (-31) Far/Goff/Rob 15:53……Put/Engle 15:50 (-4) NC State under BYU by 29 pnts. (Note, places in parentheses are the placements between respective TiCs at 2024Natty’s.)
But I don’t see where the 90% chance of winning is, unless you were joking about that part.
