Azeddine Habz 3:27.49 1500 at age 31!!!

ITS THE SHOES

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the only athlete to have run below 3:28 at over 29 years of age El Guerrouj (3:27.64)? And Habz runs faster at almost 32 while being nowhere near the same quality of athlete?

Habz is almost certainly doped imo

Leaving that aside an inferior athlete can match el guerrouj age graded times because of the new advantages , this legal triple combo they're all on, shoes etc etc

Never do comments like this, they make you look weak.
Do you know the conditions of Habz and how he progressed?

He's much less muscled than makh,and less cyborgish.Less muscled than katir,too. Makh looked like he glowed,bless him. Actually he didnt just glow....he shone........

I haven't suggested that Elliott or Snell ran to their limits. In an amateur era I think it unlikely they did. However, Elliott has never suggested he hadn't recovered for the Rome final and nor has anyone argued that. Even Elliott would not set a wr - breaking his own in the process - and win by one of the largest margins in history if he was sub-par on the day. Jazy's comments in defeat about the race - "there is Elliott and then there is everyone else" - confirms that.

However, it can still be acknowledged that feats of that kind would be worth much more in the modern era, with all the advantages professionals have.

In a dirty sport any athlete who provokes suspicion as Habz does simply cries out doping. Running is now the T de F - and indeed WADA groups t and f with pro cycling for risk of doping.

Do you have a link or a source where WADA said that? I cannot take your word for it.

It only cries out doping to those who believe in the power of doping -- in this case for men's 1500m -- to the point of disregarding other real world factors.

3:30 is not that fast anymore.

That's what doping has done to the sport.

Peoject.

Or the Nuguze that ranked 12 in the U20 1500 of 2018.
Needs more "rationalization".

Well, Habz and El G are both dopers. Habz might not be as talented or maybe not as good a responder, but he also has the shoes and that fast Paris track going for him.

I was thinking about these meters run things. If Habz ran ~7m less than everyone as stated that is roughly 1 second at those speeds. While everyone is maybe marveling at Habz “doing it from the front,” the reality is any disadvantage he incurred in the 500m he led was neutralized by running less distance. Anyone chasing him would likely have no drafting the last 100m too as they have to go wide, so the 1 second equalizes if you give it that value per lap. The longer the pacemaker goes the better in this calculus of course. I’d personally say a pacer is worth more like .75s/lap but either way…

The verdict IMO is that barring a new peak that is probably the absolute fastest Habz will ever run. No other race will be so well-tailored to him with nobody fighting for position or providing pacing ideal to him. Even if Jakob returns, it’s likely some of the top 5 from the Olympics will make him run extra distance and have less of a perfectly-paced run. It’s why Nuguse had his sub-3:44. The field is too crowded to get too many of those type runs any more.

He won a DL the week before the Paris race. I was talking about 2025 Habs.