It's ironic that you talk about "objectively true statements" while making absurd comments about "nearing 0 IQ" (do you even know what that means?), and the absurd idea that the Boston marathon will become all men and nonbinary runners with no women.
You are a clown.
0 IQ is an intelligence nearing "braindead", which you people clearly are.
Again, if you let enough men qualify for and enter women's races, zero women will be able to qualify and beat those times. Just because it "isn't happening" doesn't mean it's not the end conclusion.
These are factual and undeniable statements. Cope harder moran.
But of you do allow men to eliminate the female competitors, that sport, or race, will no longer exist.
But sports is different. You dont get to make the rest of the world play your game of pretend either and take advantage of your genetic makeup compared to others.
What a dumb post.
All sports are full of invented categories -- weight classes, gender, etc. We don't need to add more rules just because the people you want to win get beaten.
Michael Phelps certainly took advantage of his genetic makeup. Wahhhh he's just built better for the sport than my favorite athlete, same as that mean old Semenya. Wahhhh. Should we have a rule against swimmers with very long arms?
I have no problem with a woman like Semenya taking advantage of their superior strength.
What's next for you snowflakes? Rules to keep out very tall basketball players?
Sports might be full of invented categories. But traditionally, sports categories have been based on concrete physical characteristics - weight, age, disability, sex (not gender) - that are definitely not inventions made up by humans.
If the entire human race were wiped out tomorrow, the world/universe would still be full of untold numbers of living things with the same exact physical characteristics that most human sports categories are based on.
If humans went extinct overnight, sex would still exist, and sexual reproduction would still go on - just as sex and sexual reproduction were established facts of nature hundreds of millions of years before the first humans appeared.
As for Phelps and Semenya: no one has ever claimed it was unfair for Phelps to compete in swimming because Phelps always competed in the correct age and sex categories.
By contrast, pleny of people had a problem with Caster Semenya competing in the female category because Semenya is a male with a male-only DSD who benefits from the same male advantage as other members of the male sex do. Yet special rules were made for male DSD athletes like Semenya that allowed them to compete and clean up in the wrong sex category for years even though this was obviously unfair to female competitors.
They don't let men in their league. What is there to tell? How dumb have people become? I feel like I'm in some sort of simulation.
WNBA players make about $100k. If you think a bunch of washed up male ballers wouldn't take that opportunity you're also a moran. Or men out of college. Or men in their 50s. There are millions of men who could displace the entire WNBA roster and make more money than their current job.
Really? Can you post the link to the league policy on this issue?
Here it is and it took about 10 seconds to find it:
“The Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) allows transgender women to compete if they satisfy certain eligibility criteria, including declaring their gender identity as female and maintaining a certain testosterone level.”
It’s surprising that no washed up baller, men out college, men in their 50s or ones with zero dignity, have stepped up by now.
Don't get why LRC has to always do its thing when this stuff got brought up. I really don't see what the issue is here/how it affects anyone upset at all. Nikki brings up a few really simple, yet convincing points. The first is that as an amateur marathoner running Boston it's all about getting the best out of yourself. Getting worked up over something like this doesn't seem worth it imo. I've been consistent in threads like this in that it's up to governing bodies to set rules at the top of sport. This has nothing to do with the elite fields. So what somebody gets into the race. So many good runners aren't hitting the cutoff times. People are getting in who qualified on super downhill courses. How many transgender runners actually entered? Probably very few. Maybe you want to argue that their standards should be different. Ok, but do we need to apply policy to a small # of people. Folks need to be rational on all sides of the conversation. The person hosting the run felt so angry that they were going to drop out of the race or not run? Then do it. There are tons of other great races out there. We went through how many years of women not being able to run the Boston Marathon? Are we going to lock transgender runners out now? Maybe this will progress in the coming years & some guidelines will be put in place. Not worth it to get worked up over it & act like there's some big takeover going on. Nobody cares except you if you finished 20,000 & 19,999 overall. There's a lot that athletes can do to make gains. Time should be spent there instead of on stuff like this.
Equating the exclusion of biological males from the women’s category to historical bans on women in marathons is a false comparison that ignores the core issue: fairness, not access. When women were excluded from marathons, it was based on the incorrect belief that they were physically incapable. Today, we have a women’s category precisely because women are physically different, and excluding biological males—who retain performance advantages even after transition—is about protecting a level playing field, not denying anyone the chance to compete. Telling female runners to “just focus on themselves” dismisses the reality that every spot in a race matters—especially to girls and women who train just as hard but cannot overcome innate biological differences. This isn’t about attacking trans individuals; it’s about preserving the integrity of women’s sports and ensuring the opportunities that generations of female athletes have fought for remain meaningful.
I'm frustrated beyond belief at the empathy-hijacking, gaslighting, and guilt-tripping that people like NERunner rely upon to push women into subordinate positions all the while claiming to be on the side of inclusion and social justice.
This is compounded by the fact that so many of the people who buy into this gender identity stuff constantly enforce tired gender stereotypes. Here we have, yet again, a woman morally policing other women for being mean and selfish simply because they have the nerve to ask for fair treatment. I'm referring to NERunner here, but the same applies to Nikki, who is honestly very female typical. Her susceptibility to moral contagion, tendency to circle the wagons in order to protect dominant moral codes, and her willingness to coordinate a reputation-smearing campaign against other women in order to promote her own moral/ethcial superiority are a master class in female-typical aggression.
Not knowing you, but seeing your user name as 'trans parent' I feel that you won't be prepared to follow any of science, biology or physiology.
That's cute.
As a physician, I studied science, biology and physiology for about 13 years more than most people (before going on to work on these for a couple of decades now).
Comparing my knowledge of physiology to that of most transphobes is like comparing Nikki Hiltz as a 1500m runner to most of the people whining here. We're simply superior.
It's ironic that you talk about "objectively true statements" while making absurd comments about "nearing 0 IQ" (do you even know what that means?), and the absurd idea that the Boston marathon will become all men and nonbinary runners with no women.
You are a clown.
0 IQ is an intelligence nearing "braindead", which you people clearly are.
You are just embarrassing yourself typing things like this while ostensibly interested in making factual physiological statements.
You clearly have no training in anatomy, physiology or the medical field.
If you think a bunch of washed up male ballers wouldn't take that opportunity you're also a moran. Or men out of college. Or men in their 50s. There are millions of men who could displace the entire WNBA roster and make more money than their current job.
Right.
We should set Boston Marathon qualifying policies based on the imaginings of an internet clown rather than actual data.
Come back when you have evidence of nonbinary people 'taking over' in any sport.
Until you have evidence, go cope. This year 71 non-binary runners finished the Boston Marathon, and you are hear crying as if it somehow actually impacted you. Maybe go enjoy (or improve) your own life rather than pointing the finger at others?
The world is changing. In 50 years you will be a historical embarrassment, like people arguing against Black people in pro sports.
Not knowing you, but seeing your user name as 'trans parent' I feel that you won't be prepared to follow any of science, biology or physiology.
That's cute.
As a physician, I studied science, biology and physiology for about 13 years more than most people (before going on to work on these for a couple of decades now).
Comparing my knowledge of physiology to that of most transphobes is like comparing Nikki Hiltz as a 1500m runner to most of the people whining here. We're simply superior.
You likely work the floor at Denny’s.
Hiltz should race men. Period.
Trans children are children with mental problems who need treatment. And in many cases thos mental problems are created by poor parenting.
If you think a bunch of washed up male ballers wouldn't take that opportunity you're also a moran. Or men out of college. Or men in their 50s. There are millions of men who could displace the entire WNBA roster and make more money than their current job.
Right.
We should set Boston Marathon qualifying policies based on the imaginings of an internet clown rather than actual data.
Come back when you have evidence of nonbinary people 'taking over' in any sport.
Until you have evidence, go cope. This year 71 non-binary runners finished the Boston Marathon, and you are hear crying as if it somehow actually impacted you. Maybe go enjoy (or improve) your own life rather than pointing the finger at others?
The world is changing. In 50 years you will be a historical embarrassment, like people arguing against Black people in pro sports.
As a physician, I studied science, biology and physiology for about 13 years more than most people (before going on to work on these for a couple of decades now).
Comparing my knowledge of physiology to that of most transphobes is like comparing Nikki Hiltz as a 1500m runner to most of the people whining here. We're simply superior.
You likely work the floor at Denny’s.
Hiltz should race men. Period.
Trans children are children with mental problems who need treatment. And in many cases thos mental problems are created by poor parenting.
You have him pegged. He’s certainly no M.D. and he has no children. He is most likely a trans guy.
As a physician, I studied science, biology and physiology for about 13 years more than most people (before going on to work on these for a couple of decades now).
Comparing my knowledge of physiology to that of most transphobes is like comparing Nikki Hiltz as a 1500m runner to most of the people whining here. We're simply superior.
You likely work the floor at Denny’s.
Hiltz should race men. Period.
Trans children are children with mental problems who need treatment. And in many cases thos mental problems are created by poor parenting.
Nikki is female,so she should only race other women. I know she identifies as non binary/trans (whatever that means) but she's a woman. The problem with her is she denies shes a woman,and insists on being called a them/they,and she self righteously calls out anyone who "misgenders her" but she rightfully runs agains women.She also supports male to female athletes competing against women,which is just wrong.She wouldnt like it if 2 or 3 trans women came out and dominated her races.
Trans children are children with mental problems who need treatment. And in many cases thos mental problems are created by poor parenting.
Nikki is female,so she should only race other women. I know she identifies as non binary/trans (whatever that means) but she's a woman. The problem with her is she denies shes a woman,and insists on being called a them/they,and she self righteously calls out anyone who "misgenders her" but she rightfully runs agains women.She also supports male to female athletes competing against women,which is just wrong.She wouldnt like it if 2 or 3 trans women came out and dominated her races.
Oh wow! Nobody...and I mean NOBODY brought this up yet.
As a physician, I studied science, biology and physiology for about 13 years more than most people (before going on to work on these for a couple of decades now).
Comparing my knowledge of physiology to that of most transphobes is like comparing Nikki Hiltz as a 1500m runner to most of the people whining here. We're simply superior.
You likely work the floor at Denny’s.
Hiltz should race men. Period.
Trans children are children with mental problems who need treatment. And in many cases thos mental problems are created by poor parenting.
I am glad you agree that trans children need gender affirming care. They suffer from mental health problems because their gender is not affirmed. And you are right that in many cases their mental health problem is created by their parents who refuse to affirm their gender.
God why do these people have to do this? There is nothing wrong with trans people except in sports where they have an unfair advantage. It makes people genuinely mad at trans people when the trans community in general has done nothing wrong.
I support Nikki being Nikki, but one of these days she's going to line up in a race with a couple trans athletes. I live for that day.
I pointed out in another thread that I could take a track and field team of American High School boys to the next Olympics and take home every single medal in the women's category and also set new world records in every single event.
She will finally STFU if Nuguse and Nico decided to transition over and take her medals and prize money.
I support Nikki being Nikki, but one of these days she's going to line up in a race with a couple trans athletes. I live for that day.
I pointed out in another thread that I could take a track and field team of American High School boys to the next Olympics and take home every single medal in the women's category and also set new world records in every single event.
She will finally STFU if Nuguse and Nico decided to transition over and take her medals and prize money.
Trans children are children with mental problems who need treatment. And in many cases thos mental problems are created by poor parenting.
I am glad you agree that trans children need gender affirming care. They suffer from mental health problems because their gender is not affirmed. And you are right that in many cases their mental health problem is created by their parents who refuse to affirm their gender.
How do know all that? Can you link to any article that supports what you state as being a fact? How does a parent refuse to affirm a kid’s gender, and why would they want to do so? Does all of this apply to sexuality as well?
God why do these people have to do this? There is nothing wrong with trans people except in sports where they have an unfair advantage. It makes people genuinely mad at trans people when the trans community in general has done nothing wrong.
I don't know what you mean by "these people" but adults running road races and high school kids playing team sports might have entirely different motives.
Regarding the former, their biggest motive is probably getting their gender identity affirmed by the race organizers.
This person could have qualified as nonbinary and caused far less backlash. (I think the qualifying standards for nonbinary should be faster than for women. But that's a topic for another discussion.) And in a mass road race like this, it does not matter whether you are registered as a woman or a nonbinary person unless you are fast enough to factor into the age group awards. (This person finished 633 out of 994 in her age group.) But racing in the nonbinary division would not satisfy her desire to be recognized as a woman. So she chose to register as a woman. And she probably does not think about how much damage she is causing on other trans people.
I am glad you agree that trans children need gender affirming care. They suffer from mental health problems because their gender is not affirmed. And you are right that in many cases their mental health problem is created by their parents who refuse to affirm their gender.
How do know all that? Can you link to any article that supports what you state as being a fact? How does a parent refuse to affirm a kid’s gender, and why would they want to do so? Does all of this apply to sexuality as well?
There is ample clinical data to support my statement. The best place to find that is WPATH's "Standard of Care" manual.
Parents not affirming their kids' gender identity includes not allowing their kids to use their preferred names and pronouns, not allowing them to dress the way they want to, to play with toys they prefer, to have playmates of their choice, etc. Why do they do that? It's because they think there is something shameful or immoral about being transgender, they believe in stereotypical and regressive gender norms, they are simply ignorant (and unwilling to admit their ignorance) and so forth. Or they worry about how their relatives, neighbors, members of their church etc. think about them.
I am not sure about your question on sexuality. But there are parents who refuse to accept their kids' sexuality for a variety of reasons, and it leads to serious mental health issues for the kids.
Trans children are children with mental problems who need treatment. And in many cases thos mental problems are created by poor parenting.
I am glad you agree that trans children need gender affirming care. They suffer from mental health problems because their gender is not affirmed. And you are right that in many cases their mental health problem is created by their parents who refuse to affirm their gender.
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