BAN International Athletes at colleges?

1. You posted false info: Arkanas has 4 Kenyans in a roster of 16. Thats not 30%
2. Most other SEC schools don't have more than 1 Kenyan

3. Its conjecture because you don't know what proportion of Kenyans will be retained on the teams cuz you have no crystal ball
4. You are trying to be cute and xenophobic by mentioning curing Alzheimers because most PhD candidates will not cure any disease much less cancer.
Either that or you just lack the ability to think logically. In the same way that Chinese Grad students sharpen American grad students, Kenyan runners also sharpen American runners.

The roster limits will be 10 in August. This is reality, not conjecture. 4 divided by 10 equals 40%. I think you are the one who cannot think logically.

I did incorrectly identify one female Kenyan on Oklahoma's team as a man, so they still have 7 but with 5 men (50% to help you out there) and 2 women, so I will give that one to you for free before you try it next.

The difference is that these Chinese grad students are often from wealthy families who pay full out of state tuition or have it paid for by the Chinese government (

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). Again, I have no problems with a Kenyan paying tuition to study here or even getting an academic scholarship if they deserve it. I don't think an xenophobic person would say that.

I, like many other people, take issue very specifically with pro runners in their late 20s coming here on athletic scholarships. Please defend that, without changing the subject.

I just wanted to add it's not about Kenyans or east Africans. It's about directing American money and resources to making Americans better.

We also have to realize that 1 international scholarship can sometimes be as much as 3 times the amount of 1 in state American athlete.

Many are not working jobs. They get a stipend for food and housing.

At the moment no can tell who on what teams are getting money and how much it is.

I do believe that in it's current state it's not a big deal but after roster limits are placed on these teams we may see some ridiculous rosters and scholarships will be lost for Americans to these power 4 schools.

It doesn't need defending. The rules allow it and some schools will do it. You don't like it. That's fine but there's nothing to defend because no one is doing anything wrong.

You know what would really sort this out? Get rid of athletic scholarships for cross country and track. Few foreign students would come. US kids who can afford to go to a school they want to go to can go if they can afford to. If they can't maybe they can get need based aid. If cross country and track are facing the size of disaster that some think is coming as schools scrape and scrounge to find money to pay their football and basketball players this might save some programs that could get axed.

We are all well aware of what the rules currently are. The subject of this thread is if/why those rules should be changed. The idea of an outdated rule/law being revised is not exactly unheard of in the history of this country. I have given my position and reasoning, as have many others here. You have contributed nothing to this discussion be telling us what the NCAA handbook says. If you have a position on this matter, that yes, you must defend it.

You haven't defended your position either. All you've really said is that you think foreign students should be banned or restricted from state universities they're taking scholarships away from kids from families who pay taxes to their state universities. You haven't explained why it's okay for a state university to take a scholarship from an instate kid and give it to an out of state kid whose parents have not paid anymore taxes to that state than the parents of athletes from a foreign country have. You have held to that position despite the fact that the money for those scholarships comes from sources other than money from state governments. The defense of my position is that the schools have raised this money and it's theirs to use as they see fit as long as it's done within existing rules. Yes, those rules could be changed but it wouldn't be as simple and straightforward a process as you seem to think.

Foreign athletes bring a lot to the NCAA and it would be weaker without them, yet there is actually a reasonable argument to be made that they shouldn't be given athletic scholarships, just as many state universities don't give financial aid to out of state students (the University of California is just one example) and many other countries do not give athletic scholarships at all or even have intercollegiate athletics. So, we essentially serve as a funder of foreign athletes' training. Back home, they have to join clubs or get in a national program, and they might well have to work. There are many fewer athletic scholarships available to Americans as a result. If we were to also extend this policy to foreign students, we'd be hurting the country greatly, given that they very often bring great talent, stay in the country, and help develop our future. I just don't know that the same argument really applies to athletic scholarships. Even if they do stay here, they typically compete for other countries, Josh Kerr being one of many examples in running.

It is not merely a matter of displacing domestic athletes. When you bring in international athletes, you also import their doping culture. Hence the UF athlete that was busted.

The majority of the scorers in the men's 5000 at the SEC were African.

Americans pay federal taxes. Federal taxes fund state universities.

I'm not sure I would want to ban international athletes but I sure don't think schools should be allowed to bring internationals in on a discounted rate like UNM is able to do.

What is a discounted rate?

Yes. But they federal taxes do not fund athletic scholarships at state universities.

Yes they do. This has been discussed ad-nauseum on here. There is no looney-toons style large bag of money sent from congress labeled athletic scholarships, but federal taxes do subsidize nearly all public universities. Because money is fungible, it does not matter if the exact serial numbered dollar bills that are sent from congress are used for Kenyans. It's all the same. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar. I don't know a simpler way to explain this. The athletic department is not a solvent entity without the backing of the university and therefore the tax money (both state and federal). It is not "their money" to do whatever they please without concern for the taxpayers' wishes and concerns.

And to further address your point about about out-of-state athletes vs in-state-athletes, this is something that is already taken care of in our current system. If you look at the roster of any P4 university, you will notice that the slower guys are usually from that state. A 9:10 Mississippi state champion will be given more consideration at Ole Miss that a 9:10 200th ranked runner from California. So this is a completely moot point.

In state athletes also generally have access to more academic scholarships that out of state residents. The out of state residents can also get academic scholarships, the required test scores and grades are just a bit higher. They are not, curiously enough, giving these academic scholarships to foreigners. So yes, a Mississippi high schooler with a 1400 SAT or a California student with a 1500 will get one, a Chinese student with a perfect score will not.