This is all just waffle how did she run faster by a lot than every other athlete that has ever tried some of those athletes doped especially when before today she was good but not clearly better than everyone else
I don't get why this is the performance that has "broke the marathon." It's not like it was unexpected. People on this board were speculating about a woman running sub-2:10 before Gidey made her debut. The women's HM WR is a time that would be top 10 at a lot of elite mens races, just as Chepngetich's WR would have been 10th in the men's race today. Is this anymore crazy than a former 800m runner running 2:11 in Berlin? Yes, it's an extraordinary time, but it didn't shift my perception of the sport massively like Gidey's HM record did or Assefa's record did. Sub-2:10 actually felt inevitable at some point into he newe future. I'm also expecting the women's 5000m WR to be lowered quite substantially in the next few years, probably to at least 13:45. This is where distance running is right now at the very top end. It's going to take more than this to make me think the event is broken. The 2:07 pace she was holding at 10k would have changed my perception of the sport, but not fractionally going under 2:10.
This is all just waffle how did she run faster by a lot than every other athlete that has ever tried some of those athletes doped especially when before today she was good but not clearly better than everyone else
She was clearly better before. This is the third time she’s tried an extremely aggressive split in the Chicago marathon and the third time she’s won while doing it.
More to the point though, we’ve seen doped world records before and nothing at all like this.
Chepngetich’s 2:09 is the greatest performance in distance running history.
This is all just waffle how did she run faster by a lot than every other athlete that has ever tried some of those athletes doped especially when before today she was good but not clearly better than everyone else
If Ruth ALLEGEDLY has access to PEDs and so do American male runners then by all metrics she still outperforms. The PEDs don't make the runner faster. Hard work + PEDs make someone faster. In other words, if no athletes doped she'd still be the fastest. PEDs don't give you talent that you don't already have. They may enhance talent but they're not going to give you talent to be a WORLD-BEATER among extremely talented individuals.
Sure, at your 5K Turkey Trot PEDs would make a significant difference in a winning time of 18:00 and 17:00 but put a 14:50 5K-runner in the race and no amount of doping is gonna help the guy whose talent + PEDs only gets them to a 16:30 5K.
People are so quick to scream PED's but 98% of the men on this board would not break 4:20 in the mile even if given PEDs. You all severely underestimate the differential that talent brings.
This is all just waffle how did she run faster by a lot than every other athlete that has ever tried some of those athletes doped especially when before today she was good but not clearly better than everyone else
If Ruth ALLEGEDLY has access to PEDs and so do American male runners then by all metrics she still outperforms. The PEDs don't make the runner faster. Hard work + PEDs make someone faster. In other words, if no athletes doped she'd still be the fastest. PEDs don't give you talent that you don't already have. They may enhance talent but they're not going to give you talent to be a WORLD-BEATER among extremely talented individuals.
Sure, at your 5K Turkey Trot PEDs would make a significant difference in a winning time of 18:00 and 17:00 but put a 14:50 5K-runner in the race and no amount of doping is gonna help the guy whose talent + PEDs only gets them to a 16:30 5K.
People are so quick to scream PED's but 98% of the men on this board would not break 4:20 in the mile even if given PEDs. You all severely underestimate the differential that talent brings.
"The PEDs don't make the runner faster. Hard work + PEDs make someone faster."
I remember when I first started running too. You must be like 15 years old, if not, do better.
Up until 5 years ago, Paula Radcliffe owned the marathon record of 2:15:25 that had lasted for 16 years. Today, she would have been five and a half minutes behind with that time. Even considering the improvements in shoe technology, that kind of leap in performance is difficult to take in.
Will you be able to look at a 15:00+ time for a woman without thinking. Well this is marathon pace. Why is this woman a pro? Why is she wasting her time?
…or a 30:14+ time. Again Marathon pace. Should a 30:00 race ever be shown on TV?
I had a similar thought like 15 used to be a barrier for women, now a women starts her marathon at that pace.
Doping is actually super smart financially for an elite east African runner if you strip away the ethics. As an athlete the rewards are huge. The downside is shame and public loathing. Upside glory, money. In East Africa if you win a major marathon you’re probably set for life, multiple wins or podiums now you’re luxuriously comfortable. With exchange rate call it equivalent of million or multi million dollar win by American. Upside is huge if you have the potential to win by doping. Contrast that with American runners. We all saw Lance. Prize money is weak, u could make more money in so many occupations. So calculus for American is huge public shaming and not that much money.
The training alone seemed a bit of a red flag possibly those in groups are easy to find and test and harder to dope. Training alone you could dope more aggressively and maybe only have a missed test if testers came then back it down and go clean to pass 2nd test.
It’s everywhere though really. NFL is not real their testing is a joke and they don’t test HgH. NHL doesn’t test during playoffs, have you ever seen NHL playoff hockey vs regular season? Most sports are not real. 30% of MLB is on stimulants for adhd. You just don’t see the Americans going as full steam in running bc the money isn’t there and bc of what happened to lance.
STFU if this were Letesenbet Gidey or Hassan y'all would be singing at the Choir
Ruth's PRs at other distances are just not that amazing, so this feels like it came out of left field.
She is a winner and very consistent, but looking at these times (already in super-shoes on super fast courses), nobody said, "she should target a sub-2:10!"
Here are her previous best results:
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:14:18
Bank of America Chicago Marathon, Chicago, IL 2:15:37
Standard Chartered Dubai Marathon, Dubai 2:17:08
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:17:18
Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:04:02
Nagoya Women's Marathon, Nagoya 2:18:08
Istanbul Marathon, Istanbul 2:18:35
Delhi Half Marathon, New Delhi 1:05:06
Vodafone Istanbul Half Marathon, Istanbul 1:05:30
But in several of those results Ruth went out at the halfway point at todays pace. Today she just held it the whole way. Now when someone runs 2:14/2:15 going out at 2:10 pace halfway, we obviously think a 2:11 - 2:13 seems reasonably expected, but this result is considerably better than that, so I don't know.
I think if she ran on the track with her present form she would achieve around 14:10-14:20/29:20-29:30, not the fastest but up there.
No shot a 29:20 pulls off a sub2:10. Those are 2 very different runners. Maybe a 27 high but a 29 low person isn't even in the same race as a 27 high one.
It's pretty wild there are still folks out there that either don't understand how much of an impact EPO can have on an aerobic event (which is idiotic) or are attempting to steer the narrative and take the spotlight off the athlete and suspicion. EPO was specifically created to enhance aerobic metabolism in the body. Just not for athletes. For patients. That is precisely why it shines in this sport. Go ahead and try it if you aren't competing for money or at the professional level. Seriously, go ahead and let us all know how it goes.
Whether she gets busted or not, it doesn't matter. The audacity of performances such as these are astounding. Like, at least sit around at the finish line, puke a few times, then maybe walk around a little. Don't start running again. That looks bad. Really, really bad.
Phil Coppess and Dick Beardsley had 29:1x 10k PRs. It's likely that neither of them ever focused on 10k racing, so perhaps they never reached their potential at that distance.
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