Also SS, how in the world would you know or even guess the Vaporfly didn’t have an internal plate?
Because you just never know what information you come across in Eugene at certain times of the day.
Well then, please, can you get some intel on her main ‘stride issue’? Who knows how fast this gal could be with closer to flawless form? I’m hoping it is not an injury issue, but maybe it is remnants of one?
It smooths out some when she gets down in the 71-72’s.
I'd agree with that. I was trackside for her 10k in Lexington. Up close, Valby at 5:20 pace and Valby dropping 70-72 splits look like two different runners. The former resembles a shaky XC midpacker nursing some sort of hip or leg injury. At the quicker pace she appears to relax and settle in comfortably; her stride not only smooths out, it generates easy power in a way unlike anyone else in the field.
I don’t understand the downvotes to what I think is an Interesting conversation. People are anything anti-Valby? Or they are insiders (ha ha) trying to say ‘yes’ ‘no’ on speculation ideas? I surmise it is probably the former.
Providence's Shannon Flockhart became the fifth fastest collegian all-time in the women's 1500m with a time of 4:05.99. Watch both heats of the women's 2024 ...
And even if it did have the internal plate (I know it didn't) the outer plate would have been categorized as "the spike implement holder" which is essentially the makeup of the Zoom Vic with the air bags (full length top plate, then air bag, then secondary plate the spikes are in).
Maybe she saw this race as such a formality (I guess that was warranted) she wanted to in essence wear a mega cushioned training shoe to protect her legs for the 5000m, but watching how clunky her stride was there is simply no way she runs faster in those than a pair of DF's
The ‘two plates’ in the Zoom Vic deviates from the first set of WA rules on the matter.
I don’t necessarily agree on your speed difference claim, particularly when she fully opens up her stride in the cushy shoes.
As in you think it makes the Vics illegal? No. The rules were around multiple plates running in parallel planes with each other. What Nike (and other brands) did was simply say that the outer plate with the receptacles in it etc was not in fact a "plate" in the sense of what the full length plates were, but were necessary to hold the spike pins. So yes even though we all know it is a plate and acts like one it was framed as as having a different critical function to the shoe.
We can agree to disagree on the other point - you are entitled to your opinion. All I know is that Newtons third law matters and a massive slab of nitrogen infused foam provides great cushioning - it also reduces the amount of force you put into a track which is the same force the track returns to you in order to move you forwards. Yeah the foams have good resiliency/energy return but that return is relevant to what you apply to begin with so if a certain amount is lost to cushioning/dampening at some point its a game of diminishing returns. Just an opinion though.
Because you just never know what information you come across in Eugene at certain times of the day.
Well then, please, can you get some intel on her main ‘stride issue’? Who knows how fast this gal could be with closer to flawless form? I’m hoping it is not an injury issue, but maybe it is remnants of one?
I didn't say she had an issue - she just looked (to me) at times imbalanced out there. Again that's just my opinion having watched quite a bit of running in my life. Don't get fixated on an opinion my friend.
The ‘two plates’ in the Zoom Vic deviates from the first set of WA rules on the matter.
I don’t necessarily agree on your speed difference claim, particularly when she fully opens up her stride in the cushy shoes.
As in you think it makes the Vics illegal? No. The rules were around multiple plates running in parallel planes with each other. What Nike (and other brands) did was simply say that the outer plate with the receptacles in it etc was not in fact a "plate" in the sense of what the full length plates were, but were necessary to hold the spike pins. So yes even though we all know it is a plate and acts like one it was framed as as having a different critical function to the shoe.
We can agree to disagree on the other point - you are entitled to your opinion. All I know is that Newtons third law matters and a massive slab of nitrogen infused foam provides great cushioning - it also reduces the amount of force you put into a track which is the same force the track returns to you in order to move you forwards. Yeah the foams have good resiliency/energy return but that return is relevant to what you apply to begin with so if a certain amount is lost to cushioning/dampening at some point its a game of diminishing returns. Just an opinion though.
True on the physics, but you are neglecting one very important point about the new cushy shoe, for which, not referring to ‘injury return’, but the ‘fatigue resistance help’ an athlete can benefit from when the ‘shock’ and ‘jerk’ are reduced. Yes, there are trade-offs in the benefits provided.
Well then, please, can you get some intel on her main ‘stride issue’? Who knows how fast this gal could be with closer to flawless form? I’m hoping it is not an injury issue, but maybe it is remnants of one?
I didn't say she had an issue - she just looked (to me) at times imbalanced out there. Again that's just my opinion having watched quite a bit of running in my life. Don't get fixated on an opinion my friend.
Okay. Thanks. You evidently are not seeing the specific issue I’m seeing.
I didn't say she had an issue - she just looked (to me) at times imbalanced out there. Again that's just my opinion having watched quite a bit of running in my life. Don't get fixated on an opinion my friend.
Okay. Thanks. You evidently are not seeing the specific issue I’m seeing.
O’Sullivan’s PR is actually 4:02.15, it just wasn’t NCAA-eligible…or something. Similar to John Anderson saying that Habtom Samuel ran a PB last night—yeah, only 74 seconds off.
Late to the party...just popping in to say that, much as I hate all the shady details around Addy Wiley's rise, for the sake of correctness it annoys me when they keep saying Jenny Barringer (Simpson) is the only collegian to break 4:00. That's factually incorrect, Addy is the collegiate record holder now; Jenny is 'just' the NCAA record holder.
(Signed, another alum of an NAIA program in the same conference in Indiana as her. This alum also remembers a teammate only losing to Huntington women in a conference championship race, circa 2019. She was upset after, and our coach told her that she was the real winner. Didn't understand till years later.)
No - I agree with that poster. Your comments are borderline aggressive in this thread and too probing. Why are you that interested? It’s strange no? I’m a coach for what it’s worth to you.
by my count 19 of the 30 fastest 1500s all time have been run in 2024 (including multiples by same runner). Flockhart always seems to be able to close fast, and Ramsden has decide to move with 700 to go a few times now, while May more often than not takes the lead early on.
They bumped hands. SC should have been holding the baton in her L hand.
Definitely not. Keep the baton in the right hand and protect it. Watch the arm swing when you’re in traffic. Coaches need to teach 4x4 runners how to protect the baton like a football coach teaches a running back to protect the football. We see this ALL the time in big college meets and I shake my head because they should have learned all of this years ago, in high school or earlier.
It looked to me like the AR runner moved in a little close to the SC runner and then the SC runner's arm with the baton swung and hit her and she lost the baton. It was not the SC runners fault, other than maybe not gripping it tight enough. No DQ for AR, I see, but what is the rule on that? Just a tough break?
Lost in the 10000 results, and not seen on camera, Jenna Hutchins blew away Sydney Thorvaldson on the last lap to get 6th, running the fastest final lap of the entire field (70.7 - Valby was 72.7).
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