Another transgender state champion in the girl's 400m. This time in Washington.

Then why don't you post a result of more recent opinion poll that shows women are more likely to agree with you than men?

More than twenty state legislatures predominantly run by men passed laws that ban trans women / girls from playing sports or entering bathrooms. So the fact that "most governments, legal institutions, powerful corporations and sports governing bodies in the world today are still run predominantly by men" does not seem to be a major obstacle to your cause. If more governments, legal institutions, powerful corporations and sports governing bodies are run like the GOP controlled state legislatures, you will be able to further advance your cause.

Those male dominated organizations should be far more friendly to you than organizations like NOW, WSF and National Women's Law Center.

Since the polls you posted are from Gallup, then the most recent poll by that particular polling organization seem more relevant than the results you shared from polls done three and five years ago.

The most recent Gallup poll about whether athletes who say they have a special gender identity at odds with their sex should compete in sports based on the gender identity they currently claim to have was conducted in May of 2023 and published in June of 2023.

In 2023, Gallup found that 26% of Americans thought athletes should be able to compete in sports based on their current gender identity rather than their “birth gender” (by which I presume Gallup meant their sex). That marked a significant decline from 2021, when 34% of Americans said they thought athletes should compete according to their “current gender identity” rather their “birth gender.”

In 2023, Gallup found that a larger majority of Americans overall (69%) than in 2021 (62%) thought athletes should only be allowed to compete on sports teams that conform with their “birth gender.”

Gallup found that in 2023, Republicans, Democrats and independents were all less supportive of athletes who claim to have a trans gender identity playing sports based on their current gender identity than they were two years earlier.

Large majorities of independents (67%) and Republicans (93%) were opposed to giving athletes a choice of competing in male or female sports based on their gender identities in 2023.

Democrats were divided on the issue, with 47% saying they supported allowing athletes to play either male or female sports based on current gender identity, and 48% saying they were opposed. This contrasts to 2021 when more Democrats were in favor of athletes competing based on current gender identity than were against it.

Adherents of gender identity ideology often claim that a main reason that support for sports participation based on gender identity rather than sex has diminished - and opposition to males using gender identity claims to horn in on female sports in particular has risen - is that most people don't know anyone who has adopted a trans gender identity. But Gallup's 2023 poll didn't find this to be the case.

From the 2023 Gallup report:

The shift toward greater public opposition to transgender athletes competing on the basis of their current gender identity has occurred at the same time that more U.S. adults say they know a transgender person. Thirty-nine percent of Americans, up from 31% in 2021, say someone they know personally has told them they are transgender.

But both Americans who know and do not know a transgender individual have become less supportive of allowing transgender athletes to play on the team of their choice. Currently, only 30% of those who know a transgender person favor allowing athletes to play on teams that match their current gender identity, down from 40% in 2021. Among those who do not know a transgender person, support is now 23%, down from 31%.

People who know a transgender individual continue to be more accepting of pro-transgender policies than those who do not, but the relationship has weakened in the past two years [from 2021 to 2023]. As a result, Americans have become less favorable to transgender athlete participation in sports [based on their current gender identity rather than their sex] than they were in 2021, even as more people say they know a transgender person.

It appears that Americans view transgender sports participation more through a lens of competitive fairness than transgender civil rights.

Laws that restrict participation for transgender athletes [to teams/competitions that match their sex rather than their current gender identity] are generally in line with U.S. public opinion on the issue.

Gallup usually publishes new polling results on this topic in June. So if Gallup has conducted a poll this year, the results should be out within the next few weeks.

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More Say Birth Gender Should Dictate Sports Participation

Jeffrey M. Jones

Americans are less supportive than two years ago of transgender athletes being allowed to play on sports teams that match their current gender identity.

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So you have no new data showing that women support your views more than men? Just many paragraphs of hot air that are utterly unresponsive to the challenge that you pushed.

You lost. Time to tuck tail and go home devastated. Women are not with you, not any more than men at least.

Misandry is the biggest problem on earth right now and not enough people are calling it out.

I came on this board to read a little about an issue that affects track and field, but what I am getting is a discussion straight out of my college sociology class. Since I am not getting any school credit, I am going to keep it simple. I am not going to use a lot of big words or theories about our male dominated society. I am just going to urge all the natural females out there to stand up, and just say “no” I am not going to run against no boys. If the girl is too young, their parents need to say it for her. If it is a club, then the coach needs to say my girls won’t run against girls who use to be boys. I feel for the trans girl who is left to compete alone, so I would support the creation of a new division for trans if there are enough to fill the lanes. There is a reason we have age groups in track. It is hard enough to compete against a 14 year old when you are 13, but no one forces a 13 year old to line up against a 17 year old kid and calls the race fair. Come on folk, this doesn’t take an advanced degree to figure out.

"athletes should be able to compete in sports based on their current gender identity rather than their “birth gender”"

18% of men and 32% of women agree with this statement.

78% of men and 62% of women are against.

(You can see it in the pdf file linked to the article.)

That means, your position is supported by more men than women. So the "male dominated institutions" like the GOP controlled state legislatures are not an obstacle to your cause, but a strong ally. How are they an obstacle when almost 80% of men agree with you?

The white knights on this site lack the testes to call out Verbosa’s gratuitous and shameless misandry. Said dispossession of testicles, a much decried act around here, didn’t even need surgery.

We should also start rolling back women's rights, they've had it easy for wayyyy too long.

The pdf also says there were 450 female respondents to this Gallup poll, and 552 male respondents.

Despite such small numbers - and the sex bias in this particular Gallup poll that means male respondents outnumbered females by a margin of 55% to 45% - you seem to place great stock in this and other opinion polls in which members of the public are asked to weigh in off the tops of their heads. I don’t.

I’ve never believed that policies and laws pertaining to sex-separate sports and spaces should be based on public opinion polls. I believe that input from people with expertise in the relevant topics should be given more credence than what the average Joe and Jane with a cellphone or landline says when pollsters ring up and ask them to respond to a handful of canned questions.

I also have a problem with the way Gallup and other polling orgs approach this topic.

If pollsters were genuinely interested in getting an accurate picture of public sentiment, they’d have to ask clear, straightforward questions such as:

Should male athletes be able to compete in female sports if they say they have a trans gender identity?

Should female athletes be able to compete in male sports if they say they have a trans gender identity?

But instead, Gallup and other polling orgs consistently ask questions that seem purpsosely designed to give results that are misleading.

In this case, Gallup lumped together trans-identified athletes of both sexes by asking:

Do you think transgender athletes should be able to play on sports teams that match their current gender identity or should only be allowed to play on sports teams that match their birth gender?

This kind of phrasing and framing doesn’t give respondents a chance to say whether or not they make a distinction between allowing male athletes who currently claim a trans gender identity to compete in female sports based on their claimed identity and allowing female athletes who currently claim a trans gender identity to compete in male sports based on their claimed identity. Instead, it forces people to pretend that see all “transgender athletes” as one and the same.

This is unfortunate because the impression I have is that is that most people see major differences between male athletes who say they identify as trans and female athletes who say they do.

Most adults who’ve been paying attention to the news in recent years realize that allowing male athletes like Lia Thomas, CeCe Telfer, Hannah Mouncey and Fallon Fox to compete in female sports based on their claimed gender identities creates considerable unfairness for the female competitors - and in many cases, it creates major safety risks for the female competitors too. But at the same time, most adults are not perturbed by the prospect of allowing female athletes like Schuyler Bailor, Mack Beggs, and Isaac Henig to compete in male sports based on their claimed gender identities because most of us are aware that this does not create gross unfairness for male competitors, nor does it put male competitors' safety at risk.

Again, I don't mean to be suggesting that opinion polls should be the basis of policy. It's just that I'd have more faith in polling results if professional polling organzations like Gallup made more of an effort to conduct their polls in an evenhanded, unbiased way. As it is, more often than not they appear to rig their questions so as to put their thumb on the scale.

Democrats have betrayed women and girls:

washingtonexaminer.com

At least Ted Cruz understands men don’t belong in women’s prisons

Kara Dansky

For several years now, Democratic officials have been allowing men with records of committing sexual and violent crimes to be housed in women’s prisons.

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Ha ha ha, sounds like you completely lost the debate and plot on men—the species you criticize so much—being much more likely to support your transphobic views compared to women who you seem to think you are protecting and would be on your side.

Instead you barfflatulated a whole bunch of irrelevant paragraphs in multiple posts to try to skirt the uncomfortable fact that you challenged something and failed to deliver anything but a sour-grapes response.

Blah blah blah

Nobody cares about BS polls.

Get back on topic.

How many more states does this have to happen in for somebody- anybody- to come to their senses and do something? To stand up for the real girls?

This is ridiculous. Embarrassing.

Dems have betrayed not only women, but America, but what percentage of Americans are smart enough to realize it?

What do the polls say about that?

If it wasn't utterly tragic it would be hilarious.

The concept of hypocrisy just overloaded and died.

I agree that nobody cares about polls, but they do give some information. In the case of trans stuff, there's a pretty big gap between what many people (especially women) think and feel and what they are willing to say publicly. Sometimes polls capture this stuff.

The real issue is that people are less likely to take a stand if they think they're alone or hold the minority opinion. And, people are less likely to have an informed opinion of they do not hear and think about the issue from multiple competing perspectives. Counter arguments to trans inclusion are almost always suppressed or dismissed as hateful and transphobic.

Finally, people have a pretty good "spidey sense" of what the moral tripwires are. They don't want to be called hateful or have their jobs threatened, even if they're uncomfortable with what is happening. This is how totalitarianism works. People are guilt-tripped or coerced into standing by while bad things happen. They doubt their own sense of reality or agree to tell lies to get by in the day to day.

Hawaii now can be added to list of US states where teenage boys who've been allowed to compete in girls' HS track & field based on claiming to have an opposite-sex gender identity have trounced enough girls in meets to qualify for the state championships in the girls' division.

4w.pub

Hawaiian Boy Wins Medals in Girls’ Track and Field, Awarded ‘Oustanding Athlete’

At Kea’au High School, half of the 'girls' relay team is now boys

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Also, this past week, two more male HS students won medals in their respective divisions in girls track & field at the high school state championships in Connecticut. One male came in first the girls' varsity high jump and took home a gold, the other male was awarded a bronze for placing third in the girls' varsity shot put.

Thanks to the Connecticut Interscholatic Athletic Conference's decision to allow male HS students to compete in girls' school sports if they say they "identify as" girls, five different male athletes have now racked up a string of major wins in HS girls' track & field in Connecticut. Four of them have medalled in girls'events at CT state championships; one has set a number of girls' state and meet records.

The minority opinion? The opinion to exclude trans athletes from women's / girls' sports is the clear majority. So the "minority opinion" here must be that of women / girls who support their trans friends. They are silenced by people who call themselves "defenders of women."

You misunderstood what I wrote. What I've been saying (and RunRagged has been saying) is that most women and girls are uncomfortable sharing private spaces and competing with males. They mistakenly think that they have the minority opinion, so they are reluctant to speak up. Polls can be helpful when they reveal the discrepancy between what people think the majority opinion is and what it actually is.

Even if that is true (*), there is no reason to believe that "male dominated institutions' are the obstacle to your (or her) cause. Men are overwhelmingly in favor of your position. And they are consistently more supportive of your positions than women.

Unless she is suggesting that those men are lying in the opinion polls and they are actually in favor of trans inclusion, her argument makes absolutely no sense.

(* Just like there are women / girls who are reluctant to speak up against trans inclusion, there are also women / girls who are reluctant to speak up for trans inclusion. They have been targets of online harassment and threats simply for speaking up for their friends.)