Middle schoolers who protested trans athlete in girls shotput competition banned from next competition. lawsuit filed

Letsrun is the only site calling for violence against these trans children. Track&Field News doesn't do it, Runners World doesn't do it. I love how one person in the comments talk about Muslims "who hang trans and gay people in Muslim countries" are right and one comment of a person talks about his hatred for these trans children. One of these trans children are going to be killed and it's going o come back to Letsrun.com, because the people who run this site have the same hatred for these children, just like in the past some people hade hatred for black people, hatred for Jews, hatred for gays people. Hate is Hate and there is plenty of it on Letsrun.com

Actually, a boy competing in girls' sports is not only a cheating wimp but is also attacking girls' right to a fair sporting chance. It's hard to believe anyone allows this and that many women support this vile invasion of girls' and women's spaces.

This site seems to have an obsession with these transgender children. Headlines about these children seem to get more traffic and more prominent then headlines about professional track stars.

I kind of find that a bit creepy!

"I think the girls should have thrown. Don't let this one person ruin the meet for you. But now this one person ruins the meet for them, and the thought police come down on them." I disagree politely. Send a strong message that this is not right and girls and women will not stand for boys and men invading their spaces.

Don't you think boys have an advantage over girls in the shot put?

re the "7 foot boy-girl," none have popped up at meets yet. i am open to the idea it's systematically unfair. WA changed the rules up when the women's 800 went weird. but that's not what is ACTUALLY happening. occasionally a bio boy competes as a trans girl. only some of those times do they win. there is a reason i keep pounding away at "the boys aren't exactly dominating." neither in absolute numbers -- like sweeping the podium -- nor in average performance -- like the boys are few but uniformly win every time.

instead, they rarely show up, and only sometimes win. for public policy we should probably be concerned more with the fat end of the bell curve. how many show up. what happens when they do. if they are rarely appearing and inconsistently competitive, they are just like every other girl that shows up, for the purpose of freaking out about it.

no, as one poster said, the idea here is point out the few exceptions who do well, use them to lever the rest of the trans (even the ones who finish dead last) out as a wedge issue, then keep pushing that wedge back through LGBTQ rights , and IMO on out to abortion, the pill, condoms, contraception, and other things that religious folks don't necessarily like. clarence thomas hinted as much. the interest groups pushing this will occasionally say as much. but as with, say, books mentioning sex in school, we will start at the icky end, exaggerate that issue, then take the mile past that inch, and next thing you know the adult section of the public library can't have the book.

related point but i bring up intersex because contrary to the F-grade level biology paper someone posted saying "there are just two sexes," anyone who took a genetics or bio class in 50 years knows otherwise. all sorts of genetic conditions. as well as intersex stuff by happenstance. you can run your mouth on trans. the intersex stuff is still an issue. the whole thing is an issue. what it boils down to, to me, is we historically treated people who felt these feelings, like crap. some kill themselves. the response to them is somewhat lessening, but because they had pariah status, we haven't figured out how to integrate. as i argued, will there be 3 boxes -- an in between box -- or are we gonna have the fake 2 box debate, which is contrary to science regardless what you think of trans, as intersex stuff exists and is often genetic. there is a reason WA has spent years fumbling around with this, is it would be uncool to shut people out for life but what then to do.

and the reason i noted 20/25 competed is that's arguably voting the other way with their feet. i keep hearing male voices saying women need protection. what do the women think.

one issue i have with the modern conservative is they, in their anti-science skepticism, often seem stuck back in the 1700s in pure linguistic philosophy. you can argue a philosophical point and it holds as logic. a theory. but is it actually true in science and numbers. we live in the numbers age. we can at least make an effort to sort out whether your logic chain is actually true.

example 1: "bathrooms." i get in theory this could be a concern. and you get plenty of voters riled as though it is true. BUT IS IT REAL? and we're not talking anecdotes of one weird dude. i'm saying it happens often enough that someone can with honesty and a straight face say it's an actual problem. this is the same word game crap where a sort of right winger thinks it's ok to call teachers and librarians "groomers" who have never done a pedo thing in their life.

even example 2 here, how many kids across 50 states. where do they finish.

to me this country has some real issues. and then this country has theoretical word game wedge issue bull hockey it obsesses about instead. worse, to me, this country is pretty good at handing the now under-educated GOP these wedges instead of the jobs and salaries they really want. if you want employment they will gladly cut the taxes of the rich and see if that trickles to you as a job. so they toss you abortion or this stuff instead.

That is not what's going on here. Good grief, man.

These are just people who want to live their lives the way they want to, brother. Just because it's not what you would do doesn't mean mental illness is a part of its creation. You need some self reflection.

List these celebrities.

Don't like that exampe, ok...so in a wrestling match, the transfemale rips off the arm of the biological female who then bleeds out. Dead.

Telling middle schoolers that men can be women is manipulative and misleading. Unfortunately it is par for the course when it comes to letting government cronies raise kids, and probably not the worst of the nonsense these kids are fed. The real solution is getting kids out of this nightmarish century-old brainwashing project.

Until then of course the kids have a say. They're the ones competing. And they're not interested in competing against men. The crazy thing is that the response wasn't simply awarding the man a wholly-unearned win, but also sending a message to the girls 'if you don't compete against men, you won't compete against anyone.'

And if you want someone else to 'resolve' it, the answer is easy (no, it is not 'complicated') and competent folks would have 'resolved' it ages ago. Men who actually believe they are women are as nuts as men who believe they are Porsche 911s, Great Redwoods, or Armadillos. But they won't be able to survive on gasoline, can't photosynthesize, and have no leathery armored shells. If it takes children or their parents to step in and make this easy call, then the school folks all ought to be relieved of their taxpayer meal ticket posthaste. Instead they take it out on the kids and the parents who pay their keep.

I wonder if when schools aren't teaching kids to read (and many government schools seem not to be) and the parents and kids team up to learn anyway, if you'd still cry foul 'hey, that is the teacher's job!'

Sue. Go to a Stephen Miller type attorney and sue.

once again,

you all need to get a f u c king life

So you're in favor of pedo grooming of every child in the country, and our country's sphere of influence, gaslighting them into a life of mental illness and physical suffering from the surgical/chemical mutilation of their bodies. By attempting to be above the fray, by not picking a side you're with the Democrats, the Democrats won't accept neutrality either. Everyone will be drawn into this sooner or later.

Instead of engaging in "self reflection," I've listened to countless experts who have treated children with gender identity issues--particularly the ones who provided mental healthcare to children and families before the recent trans mania took hold. You can listen to them on the Gender: A Wider Lens podcast and read their work in academic journals and books. Some of these groundbreaking scholars were hounded out of their fields by activists, which is why we now have a quasi-religious ideology embedded in institutions that are supposed to provide evidence-based treatment.

I understand how people get on board with current trans ideology because their arguments sometimes touch on aspects of reality; what's more difficult for me to understand is how somebody can continue to hold such beliefs when the contradictions and absurdities are pointed out to them.

Do you really think that "female" brains are born in "male" bodies and vice versa? That's the basic argument forwarded by trans advocates today--that in addition to the assertion that sex is not binary. What's interesting is that doctors and psychologists actually explored this hypothesis several decades ago when trying to understand children with cross-sex identification. They thought that the children might have intersex conditions. They don't.

The sex-nonconformity hypothesis is supported for some kids. This is where it's very important to disentangle child reasoning from logical reasoning. A boy who wants to play with Barbie dolls who is told, either explicitly or implicitly, that Barbies are for girls may conclude that his intense desire to do things that girls do make him a girl in some way. It does not. In the past, adults and professionals held the line and waited for the child to grow up. Identifying with the other sex does not make one a member of that sex.

Now, we have a whole cadre of "professionals" who think that children too young to form memories (and therefore have no sense of autobiographical self in relation to society) are capable of expressing a trans identity. One such person is Diane Ehrensaft, who was also involved in the Satanic Panic of the 1990s. These are adults projecting their own bizarre world views onto the children for whom they should be caring. I'm pretty sure it was Ehrensaft who said in a public speech that one way a boy baby might express his female gender identity is by playing with the loose fabric on an unsnapped onesie; by her account, he's making a skirt out fo the fabric, which means he knows he's actually a girl. If you listen to stories of very public trans mothers, you'll find lots of similar stories--either that or an intensely homophobic parent who suddenly had an ephipany that their proto-gay son is actually a girl. How convenient! These mothers write books, do speaking tours, etc, and they get heaps of praise for how loving and supportive they are. I'd bet my life that you'll find elevated rates of personality disorders in these parents. Munchausen by proxy is essentially a manifestation of a personality disorder. Personality disorder traits are publicly observable, since the diagnosis is based on behavior patterns. This means that people well-versed in personality disorders can watch these trans mothers and see the traits manifested publicly. That said, most parents of these kids were probably emotionally blackmailed by brainwashed professionals.

In addition to those with personality-disordered parents are children with budding personality disorders, themselvses. This is more likely in high school and college-age people. Trans ideology allows a person to assert control over those around them by insisting that those people accept their version of reality on demand. It allows males to abuse females while making it impossible to label the behavior as anti-girl and woman (the topic of this thread, BTW), permits pretty much all trans identifiers to be perpetrators while playing the victim, and allows people to baldly violate social boundries.

However, the most common motivation for transition today is probably other mental health disorders and autism. In teen girls, trans identification allows them to enact violence against their bodies in a socially acceptable way. Prior means include EDs, cutting, and extreme aesthetic body modifications.

Lastly, I'm not a dude or a brother.

The only people I've ever heard make the last point of yours in tragic cases of child pregnancy are extremely religious rightwing men so heartlessly patriarchal and misogynistic that they don't have an ounce of compassion for little girls who've been the victim of rape. I always cringe when this lame line of reasoning is trotted out by men like Matt Walsh because it just goes to show that the blokes who employ it are utterly clueless about the basic facts of paternity testing that are pretty common knowledge amongst women - especially women who've been pregnant ourselves.

When a child becomes pregnant, it's not necesary to make her give birth to find out who raped and impregnated her. DNA paternity testing can be performed as early as week 7 of pregnancy by taking a sample of blood drawn from the pregnant girl's arm in the standard way and testing it using highly accurate methods of DNA anyalyis developed specifically to establish paternity in the first trimester in the case of pregnancies that are the result of sexual abuse. From a paper "Early noninvasive prenatal paternity testing by targeted fetal DNA analysis" published in the journal Nature last year:

DIP-STR markers (deletion/insertion polymorphisms-short tandem repeats markers) can be used to detect paternal alleles in cffDNA from seven weeks into pregnancy, and a small set of markers (about 40) is sufficient to address the question of paternity.

Paternity can also be established as early as 9 weeks of pregnancy through DNA testing of a tiny bit of tissue taken from the placenta through more invasive means known as chorionic villi sampling or CVS. This method has been in use since the 1980s.

If a girl who's become pregnant through rape has an abortion or miscarriage, paternity be easily be established by DNA testing of some of the fetal/embryonic tissue after the termination. Moreover, samples of the tissue can be preserved for further testing and to be used as evidence in charging and prosecuting the man or teenage boy who got the girl pregnant in the first place.

So if you're really dead-set on forcing poor 11 year old girls who've become pregnant through rape to give birth, you better come up with another justification than the lame one you and other cruel men have mustered, mate. Because it's simply not true that the only way criminal investigtors can obtain evidence to prosceute and convict a child molestor for raping and impregnating an 11 year old girl is by forcing the poor child to undergo the additional traumas of carrying the pregnancy to viability and giving birth to a live baby.

You are completely missing the point of the TIME article I posted. (You probably didn't read it because it contradicts with your ideology.)

It is entirely irrelevant how many LGB people resent or hate trans people. It is entirely irrelevant how many are pissed off or offended by trans people.

German conservatives resented and hated Communists and Social Democrats. They were pissed off and offended by Communists and Social Democrats. They thought eliminating the threats of Communists and Social Democrats was urgent. So they formed an unholy alliance with a guy who looked like a "useful idiot" who could help them to achieve their goal. They didn't know they would be the next targets once Communists and Social Democrats were eliminated.

LGB people can hate and resent trans people all they want. But it will be suicidal to embolden the organizations that will attack them in future.