He's one of the most obvious dopers on the circuit. Hopefully they can nab some of those top women running just over 14 minutes too or the world beating Ugandan dopers soon.
I think his was an honest mistake, dear Steve. Remember I'm a psycho-psycho-analyst yeah? It means I'm very good at these things.......
Complete double standards on this board regarding his progression vs others by picking arbitrary numbers... Nordas 5000m numbers were absolutely on par with his 3.36 best 1500m in 2022 before running 3.29 1500m in 2023 Jakob went from 3.39.92 in 2017 to 3.31.18 in 2018, an 8.74s improvement
Jakob was 17 in 2017. Improvement at that age is much more plausible than 23.
Sorry man rekrunner, you are you, you operate based on the letter of the law but you should accept that other people are different, even more superior than you if they operate based on the spirit of the law!!!
A missed test or filing error is most like the spirit of doping otherwise it wouldn't be an antidoping violation of the antidoping code. It's furthest away from the spirit of honesty and fairplay!
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cudos to letsrun posters calling out Katir from the beginning.
the first time i saw the guy run, he jumped off the page, in an immediate red flag flagrant way.
same as mcdaddy, same as ramzi.
mcdaddy turned on the turbos and jumped 10 meters plus on 330 1500 guys... in the heats ...
with the progression, that's a signiture, but realize that people that don't run in fast races and suddenly go to the circuit in europe, they suddenly improve. so a senior in college that goes to europe will run 5 seconds faster in the 1500 just by being in the right race ...
katir has the epo signiture in how he recovers after races .. in seconds..
they will give katir the 2 years, and his blood passport should tell the epo tale as well.
if the blood passport does not show epo signiture, well you can't ban the guy for 4 years.
we;ll see.
Like so many here you are just cherry picking to your liking -most of what you pose here could have been said about a lot of athletes with no whereabouts popping -f.ex Nordås and Jakob I.
Agree, improvement occurs naturally fast and huge as mentioned by Rojo. I know best because I have seen enough data from my 40 years as a distance running mega expert, and also now RF and EMF mega expert as well!! I have double expertise!!
Such improvement cannot occur at 26 or 30 years old, much less 35 years old no matter how much double threshold or best training. Age and inflammation IS A THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's real, it's RF and EMF related!!!!
There is no such thing as 'ageless' in cut throat sport events! This is why Eliud Kipchoge must be doping, period!
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Reckless, what can we conclude; he missed three tests. He is provisionally suspended. He will lawyer up.
For once, we are in complete agreement.
A whereabouts failure only means he missed a test, or committed a filing error.
Not wanting to be reckless, I wouldn't read anything more into that than there is.
"Only means he missed a test" - actually he missed three in a given period - or "committed a filing error" (correction: 3 "filing errors"), when in fact he committed an antidoping violation by not being available for testing as required and has therefore been suspended. But "not wanting to be reckless" you wouldn't want to read into it what everyone else does, including the antidoping authorities who have suspended him. "Clean" athletes will meet their testing requirements. Those who don't are dopers. He is just the latest added to this growing list in the sport.
Is it that much different? Yes it is. Nico - one of the all-time great US HS talents. Ritz, even more so. Wheating? Massive talent as well who improved a ton right away when he was super young.
The issue is Katir did it a) later than most b) without being a teen prodigy and c) has Moroccan ties.
C may upset some people but I wish I remember who it was but I once talked to a guy - I think a Brit - who trained in both Ethiopia and Morocco. He said in Morocco guys would just put syringers in them out in the open. Not a big deal. Everyone did it.
In Ethiopia, he said he saw now hint of drugs. He said it was kind of like on an NCAA team where if someone was having a good day in practice his buddies would joke with them "What did you take last night?"
If this story rings a bell and you are that guy, I'd love to talk to you. Email me
Thank you for your support, dear Armstrong. This is why I love you quite a bit!!! We both have many things in common except for religion of course LOL!!! I'm also having a really hard time impressing upon rekrunner why his interpretation is extremely problematic!!!
10/10 for the masterclass in skilled doping apologism. The most obvious doper in history has been caught and not only do you attempt to show that jumping from 3:36 to 3:28 is nothing unusual, you imply it means everybody is doping so we shouldn't care anyway. Even Rekwash could learn from you.
Katir did not have a messed up 2020. He went from 7th at the national championships in 3:46 in September 2020 to the Spanish record of 3:28 and second fastest European in July 2021, at the age.of 23.
Nordas was a 5000/10000m runner moving down to the 1500m.
All these points and more have been done to death. It's ridiculous that we have to repeat them now he has been suspended.
Nordås won his 2 1500m races the year before he moved down from 5/10000m, and also pb’ed in the last one (3.36). You are only cherry picking to support your narrative -Katir and Nordås mimic each other in all the important things. -But both can be clean, both can be doped, only Katir may be doped, only Nordås may be doped -you cannot decide this based on superficial indicators. What will eventually make a difference is if Katir’s appeal is turned down -he will then be more suspicious than Nordås…
Yeah, but that just goes to support my final point: you want to know this information, not because an athlete has broken any rules, but so you can gossip about who you think is a doper. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of athletes that regularly rack up two whereabouts failures just because they're lazy and prefer to play with deadlines. People do this in all walks of life - how many people wait until the last day or week to file their taxes, etc?
A safe working assumption is Morrocan+ athlete = doper
Below sounds like spin from his lawyers.
No number given for "large" and "recent"
I suspect "large" is actually quite small and "recent" is actually quite large
In a statement Katir said he has been subjected to a large number of out-of-competition doping tests - both urine and blood samples - over recent months "without the slightest problem".
Rojo is officially an iiDi0t and a jerk. If they were circumstances I will not give him even the work of apprentice assistant in my desk.
Resurrecting a thread old of 3 years is the ultimate proof of the grudge haunting these people and the inferiority complex they have with respect African and mostly North African they feel close to them by skin but still superior to them.
Rojo what face you will have interviewing El Bak next time?
Katir whereabouts still not solve the issues of your bogus runners running like turtle like this hero of yours that won 2016 Olymp mile in 3 min 50 sec.
And the European: they have no respect from us.
I figured this our by the end 80s when I have seen them to scheme so that their favorite get a better place.
Look at today the news papers that reported Katir case. LeFigaro, Lequipe and our friends grudgy brit by their insidethegames.biz and Co.
The French one of the most racists in Europe hurried in the 80s to give planar titles "Champion of Champions" (Lequipe) to Sergey Bubka, Carl Lewis (3 times), BenJohson and Flo-Jo.
We know what happened later and they became lame in Athletics and their dreams dissipated like mirages.
Rojo you are building "chateaux" on the Katir whereabout case:
But this sill not solve the issue of your bogus runners running like turtle like this hero that won the 2016 Olym title of mile in 3min 50 secs.
You will be still proud of the prides provided by the newly imported Africans? ... remember the case of Khalid Khannouchi.
Great post. We should write an article telling athletes. "Hey if you get a missed test and you think it's bogus, email us and we'll publish it now ahead of time." If you stay quiet about it, it looks quite suspicious particularly when you improved massively in an Olympic year.
There are always going to be people that would suspect the worst if athletes did something like this, but honestly I think its way less suspicious than waiting until after your ban is served to contest a "bogus" whereabouts failure. It's similar to Engels posting his clean testing/TUE portal or whatever--sure, its still possible he could be doping despite a clean portal, but the transparency goes a long way to prove his honesty.
El entrenador del mediofondista analiza para Onda Regional las opciones de cara a la cita olímpica y también en las pruebas previas de la Diamond League de Montecarlo y Londres. Lorente ve factible el paso a la final.
Rojo is officially an iiDi0t and a jerk. If they were circumstances I will not give him even the work of apprentice assistant in my desk.
Resurrecting a thread old of 3 years is the ultimate proof of the grudge haunting these people and the inferiority complex they have with respect African and mostly North African they feel close to them by skin but still superior to them.
Rojo what face you will have interviewing El Bak next time?
Katir whereabouts still not solve the issues of your bogus runners running like turtle like this hero of yours that won 2016 Olymp mile in 3 min 50 sec.
And the European: they have no respect from us.
I figured this our by the end 80s when I have seen them to scheme so that their favorite get a better place.
Look at today the news papers that reported Katir case. LeFigaro, Lequipe and our friends grudgy brit by their insidethegames.biz and Co.
The French one of the most racists in Europe hurried in the 80s to give planar titles "Champion of Champions" (Lequipe) to Sergey Bubka, Carl Lewis (3 times), BenJohson and Flo-Jo.
We know what happened later and they became lame in Athletics and their dreams dissipated like mirages.
Rojo you are building "chateaux" on the Katir whereabout case:
But this sill not solve the issue of your bogus runners running like turtle like this hero that won the 2016 Olym title of mile in 3min 50 secs.
You will be still proud of the prides provided by the newly imported Africans? ... remember the case of Khalid Khannouchi.
How many times are you going to reinvent yourself? Nobody cares.
Does this app not have push notifications? Like a daily reminder you are to be at X place at Y time. Alarm fatigue would be an issue, but could potentially cut down misses by reminding people to update if they change plans?
If I wasn't a washed up never was, I'd set my own.
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