Allie O Popped

Glad she posted the video. But why didn’t she do it 3 months ago? I believe that she wasn’t cheating and it was a dumb oversight. But she throws around words like ‘honesty’ and ‘transparency’.

So many of you have lost your minds. POS dopers are those who fail their drug tests and accept their bans bc they know they’re guilty. They are NOT so dumb as to have just made a “mistake”. All the best to Allie Ostrander, and here’s hoping she has absolutely nothing to do with running ever again.

I can’t believe the number of dupes here who believe she’s a “nice” woman who makes touching personal videos. You are beyond suckers!

I think she wasn't allowed to talk about it so soon. Still doesn't really answer why USADA didn't announce it immediately, though.

Agree 100% with this. I've gone back and forth on how I feel about this, and I'm actually surprised so many people on these boards are sympathetic given the hardline stance they've taken on other athletes.

She's likely a casualty of ignorance and oversight on her part, of which there is no excuse. But unless USADA has a way of differentiating the source of the drug (acne cream vs whatever form it'd be in as a masking agent), the ban is entirely fair.

Also curious to hear the trail world's take. With UTMB this week, I feel like I haven't seen anyone talk about this.

Maybe already explained, isn't there a single list of prescriptions that have any ingredient banned and before taking something, reference the list? Or is it more complex that there is just a list of banned substances and you have to do your own scientific research if the prescription has any of those ingredients?

I do take a hard stance on doping and I do care. I've been displaced by dopers on EPO in races before and I've been very skeptical of the trail-ultra-mountain running world from what I've seen in the last 10 years. Here in Chamonix we've seen a guy in the top 5 at UTMB get popped for EPO....he's already been back racing ultras the last several years! Sierre-Zinal, SkyRunning etc you've got some positives (And Golden Trail Series had multiple former convicted dopers competing still).

So I'm also *generally* for life-time bans.....however:

To me it really depends on the exact substance and case dynamics though. [Note: personally I've ever had a TUE, never needed a TUE and have always followed WADA rules to a T....]. If I got any sort of prescription medication you better believe I'm checking and double checking that list. Even a simple supplement from the grocery store like DHEA (banned) vs DHA is a very big deal and will get you popped. There have been cases in mountain-trail running with that for example.

But I'm also mainly always interested in the "heavy hitters" or "big time" PEDs....so in mountain-ultra-trail running (and some road and track too) it's always been EPO, testosterone and HGH that I know of etc. Given the horrible lack of testing I'm sure there are some guys getting away with this stuff easy! There are basically never out of comp tests...and really only a few race day tests. The protocol is often a joke too and not up to WADA/USADA standards even.

I'm also more interested in the cases that involve people making big improvements and big progressions in certain time frames who are absolutely smashing it competitively and making a lot of money and/or getting a lot of attention. Also "Super human recovery" etc.

Allie doesn't fit that mold right now and this all looks like a silly and honest mistake. This is a very minor infraction and basically more of a TUE issue and a slap on the wrist (rather than an actual PED case). They should probably go after more people that are racing competitively right now.

Did I not predict this would be written on the previous page? When it's one of "them", it's a "silly and honest mistake".

Completely agree. If this had been anything else than an american runner, this board would be fuming about drug cheating. She took a masking agent and got busted. Yes it may be for acne but come on... How hard is it to get a TUE??

Sage and Allie's bf Spencer are associates. They've collaborated on a Youtube video before so of course he would be defending them. Sage, Wejo and Rojo always fuming about African 'dopers', sometimes without even concrete proof. But when an American runner is accused, they defend them or give them the benefit of the doubt. Nothing new. Everyone here knows their typical behavior. Birds of the same feather flocks together.

Why would she only wait until the news came out and THEN do a video talking about being honest and transparent? I wish she would have done a vid right away about "Hey guys, I got popped for Acne Meds that don't even boost performance, how crazy is that?" That would have been the way to handle it and still claim to be all about transparency.

Her getting popped for a non performance enhancing drug is some good content is pretty interesting. I just wish she would have talked about it when it was happening. Usually best to get out in front of these things anyway. I do wish her well going forward, I am sure she will do great things, she's a runner through and through!

Dumbest takes ever. You know what might be an indication that she’s cheating? SHE TESTED POSITIVE. Duh.

That she is nice, hangs out with good people, is not currently competitive, is using something that wouldn’t appear to help much, etc etc etc. NONE of that matters. If those are going to be the criteria by which guilt is determined (which is ridiculous, btw), we might as well not have testing at all.

Allie Ostrander did not contest a ban for drug use and that is that. So many of you have completely lost all sense of objectivity.

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but aren't you agreeing to the above? That she tested positive and therefore should be banned?

It's not about being American. I wouldn't defend Shelby for example.

To me context in the case matters (the exact substance) and the potential PED benefits with the degree of punishment and my tolerance for any given infraction. It's not a simple black and white scenario.

Again, I've always said I'm most interested in the heavy hitters (EPO, testosterone, HGH etc.). Which are often abused in marathon/track and mountain-ultra-trail running for big potential gains by podium athletes making decent money and getting decent exposure.

What if someone tested positive for THC? I'd be more lenient with a substance punishment/infraction for something like that too as i think that is kind of a silly one to get busted for (as a runner) on the banned list.

You certainly did.

Such a fresh, nuanced take by Sage, who has always acted like he has a hardline stance.
This really is simple, she was using a masking agent while she was also ramping up training, getting sponsorships, and trying to get back into competing. We can all imagine why she would be using a masking agent. She would have been competing but for some injuries. She could have got a TUE but didn't.

I'm curious, is Allie still over in France hanging out with the runners at UTMB as a part of her sponsorship with NNormal? I'm sure Camilla will also shy away from saying anything negative about Allie. Which one of them wants to piss off Kilian.

Hypocrite.

Allie executed a doping plan perfectly and everyone is falling for it.

Before doing any doping she set up a perfect "out" by getting an acne prescription. When the worst case happened of her actually failing a test she can sell it as an accident-. She gets a measly few months and wins over public opinion.

Like Ajee Wilson's beef or Hassan Meeds's preworkout. Gotta have an out.

Shelby's problem was she was too incompetent to set that up. She couldn't sell the burrito story and nandrolone is too hard to be accidental. And she got 4 years and is labeled as a doper.

It really isn't at all hard to believe that a runner struggling to stay competitive and relevant was using a masking agent. In fact she fits the profile of most likely dopers exactly. And she has almost nothing to lose.

These people aren't stupid and this isn't rocket science.

Because she isn't honest and because she isn't transparent. If her ban had been kept quiet she would never have disclosed it. This is all damage control - not one ounce of honesty or transparency.

And thats the best strategy. You can see people Here are lapping it up guillable AS they are