Why are “EPO era” records falling?

The Russians did not try to develop a designer drug.

The only one that we know about after all these years was Contes drug.

There drugs can be detected as soon as they know what mass spec signal they are looking for and then develop a standard.Unknown signals will warrant target testing.

As for acting on a door bell or seeing an odd person at the training ground and then immediately self catheterising on the chance it is a drug tester is somewhat far fetched.

Sarms seem more effective than normal steroids and they are all on the internet and you can easily develop a test for them and have done.

Still can’t think any back street lab would take the risk of trying to make a drug they assume is not being tested for for a tiny market and one that if it went wrong their whole business would go down .

My point that this is not ten or twenty years ago.

They haven't. They have been improved marginally. They aren't cars but coverings for the feet. Zola Budd did rather well without them.

"I think the Dutch clogs thing was an example to say how shoes differ. He could have said crocs or flip flops or anything else". (quote)

No, he couldn't. Talking about "shoes" in running is referring to a type of shoe. That type has been established for well over half a century and is subject to only the smallest refinements, despite the pr ballyhoo. It has a sole, an upper and spikes - and is designed to be super-light. There isn't much that can be changed. We have even seen runners succeed without them - like Zola Budd.

I see you know a lot more than the CEOs of the shoe companies who have authorised many $100,000’s on shoe research and development departments.

Then you think that all the medical books are wrong as the say the bladder in not part of the digestive system.

So explain how exactly a track shoe today is different from what it was in the '70's and '80's (or even those worn by El G and Komen) that so enhances performance? Which part or parts of the shoe? What do they do that they didn't in previous models? And how?

I trust the expertise of the research and development departments of these billion dollar industries to have lowered the weight, lower the impact stress, increased the ability to return energy.

I, unlike you, know my limits. Just like I trust doctors to apply all the latest developments in medical science.

And,unlike you, seem to know that the bladder is not part of the digestive system.

Perhaps you could explain at the molecular level the mechanisms of all the drugs you claim are undetectable.

What's the source for that please? Would you have a couple of examples?

Most of the positives from the Russian stored samples.

Koln had sorted this over 20 yrs ago for D Bol.The clear out assumption was two weeks and then suddenly 6 to 8 weeks.

Oh well if the CONSENSUS is that he was doping, then it must be true right?

I think the illustriousness of Komen's records are a function of being in off-events that people barely run. I think Jakob breaking the 2-mile record, and guys like Katir and Girma running low 7:20's indoors shows guys' potential in these events are untapped, not that every single person who runs fast is "TO THE GILLS."

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Look to projects and you will see that the testers are well on with stored sample analysis: and who would risk being banned in a few years.

Sure they have.

Zola Budd ran 14:48 in 1985. Ingrid Kristiansen was 11 seconds faster just 1 year later. Non-Africans are 20-25 seconds faster today, and East Africans are up to 40 seconds faster. Similarly she ran 3:59.96 in the 1500m.

Thank you. So we are talking about testosterone, boldenone and methyltestosterone, at some unidentified point in the future. You may be a bit overoptimistic in thinking that those "phase II metabolites" will be huge game changers - and of course that won't help at all with blood doping.

In previous WADA funded projects, our research group has identified several phase II metabolites which are useful for the detection of the misuse of several anabolic steroids. Among them, preliminary results indicate that 6β-hydroxyandrosterone glucuronide and 6βhydroxyetiocholanolone glucuronide can improve the detection of testosterone misuse. Several sulphate metabolites like epiboldenone sulphate or 17β-methyl-5β-androstane-3α,17α-diol 3αsulphate can help in the detection of boldenone and methyltestosterone misuse.

Oh come on. You can't seriously suggest that those improvements (in part over 38 years!) are just from the shoes. Though I do agree that Armstronglivs underestimates the shoe effect. See page 1-2 here.

There are other labs working on other projects.

My point is not how good this research will end up being but how would coaches and athletes be confident they would not have a nasty phone call in a few years or earlier.

The Russians suddenly had a problem when Wada was told what drugs they had been taking .

No one is suggesting just the shoes ( excluding drug likelyhoods ) ; rest and not working and few hero sessions.

I wasn't talking about the Russians or any nationality in particular, I was just talking about the concept and how humans in general try to get around various rules, unfortunately.

If we look back at history: what has it taught us? That people will try, time and time again, to do this. We could list so many examples - it's not just one nation.

I don't think I mentioned self-catheterisation at all.

I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I feel that people continually try to 'outsmart' doping protocol or policy - and as long as there are medals at stake nefarious individuals or organisations will continue to do so.

I don’t disagree.

I was talking about how much more difficult it is to have confidence in trying to cheat.

And I agree that propensity to cheat is universal. Esp if you think all are at it .

So you don't know how the shoes have changed. You just "trust" the sales pitch of those who make them.