North Carolina girls would be pretty damn solid. Mary and Julie Shea, Ryen and Wesley Frazier and Nevada Mareno.
This is a good list. If we picked based on both high school results and what they accomplished after graduation, Joan Nesbit Mabe, Karen Godlock and Elly Henes would also merit consideration.
Charles Millioen took 4th behind Ritz, Hall, and Webb, which I would classify as more impressive than Murdock, although Murdock was a fantastic runner and certainly top 7 from NY. I do think Marty Beauchamp and Luis Ostolozaga could be up there too.
Steve Murdock is the only NY boy to podium in a national-level XC race. Belongs on the NY team.
Charles Millioen took 4th behind Ritz, Hall, and Webb, which I would classify as more impressive than Murdock, although Murdock was a fantastic runner and certainly top 7 from NY. I do think Marty Beauchamp and Luis Ostolozaga could be up there too.
Steve Murdock is the only NY boy to podium in a national-level XC race. Belongs on the NY team.
Charles Millioen took 4th behind Ritz, Hall, and Webb, which I would classify as more impressive than Murdock, although Murdock was a fantastic runner and certainly top 7 from NY. I do think Marty Beauchamp and Luis Ostolozaga could be up there too.
Charles Millioen took 4th behind Ritz, Hall, and Webb, which I would classify as more impressive than Murdock, although Murdock was a fantastic runner and certainly top 7 from NY. I do think Marty Beauchamp and Luis Ostolozaga could be up there too.
Yes, also Trautman was 2nd back in the early 80s
I stand corrected. Trautmann was 2nd at FLNats in 1984, as a Junior. 15th the following year.
What state would win an XC race with their all-time top 5 runners?
My guess would be CA vs IL. Who would win between these two states? Any others?
If it is based on high school (like we're putting together an all-time-great high-schoolers race and assuming they are all seniors)... well, I hate that I have to write this... but...
Newbury Park (2021) would beat the all-star high school team from every state, ever. So, I guess the answer is California.
Illinois has
Virgin
LV
Sage
Derrick
Merrick
Torres
Virgin, LV, and Sage would beat all 2021 NP runners. Derrick and Merrick would be right there.
If it is based on high school (like we're putting together an all-time-great high-schoolers race and assuming they are all seniors)... well, I hate that I have to write this... but...
Newbury Park (2021) would beat the all-star high school team from every state, ever. So, I guess the answer is California.
Illinois has
Virgin
LV
Sage
Derrick
Merrick
Torres
Virgin, LV, and Sage would beat all 2021 NP runners. Derrick and Merrick would be right there.
We all love Illinois Runners but this list isn’t a great reflection of Illinois best. Also hate to break the news but they probably aren’t beating California or NP. Methner has to be included as the fastest Illinois XC all time and guess what he was beat by Nico Young at nats. Sage was a good XC runner but probably not an illinois top 10. Even most recent guys ran faster times on Detweiler than sage. Same with Torres he won big races because US distance running was trash then. Most recent kids in illinois have ran 14:00, 14:03, 14:05 on Detweiler and was only top 25 nationally at best. Illinois is definitely an all time state but not beating California or NP.
If it is based on high school (like we're putting together an all-time-great high-schoolers race and assuming they are all seniors)... well, I hate that I have to write this... but...
Newbury Park (2021) would beat the all-star high school team from every state, ever. So, I guess the answer is California.
Illinois has
Virgin
LV
Sage
Derrick
Merrick
Torres
Virgin, LV, and Sage would beat all 2021 NP runners. Derrick and Merrick would be right there.
Which Merrick? Because Jaden Merrick is in Iowa not Illinois
I'm from Minnesota, and I love the history of Minnesota runners. But I think an interesting part of it is how slow they've historically been in high school compared to their later peaks. Kempainen, for example, had a PR of 9:14 I believe. Blankenship ran something like 4:08/9:16. I assume it's somewhat related to the winter conditions. So as good as Minnesota runners have been, I think Minnesota would be pretty low in this list.
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