Not sure how anyone could really argue it. Webb was in absurd shape. I will quibble with one thing, PG is about as fast a flat track as you will find (the Winston Salem one by reputation as well). That being said, it is slower than an OK banked track having run on it and the Reggie for instance.
Webb had 3 seconds on Colin in the mile but Colin definitely had better strength. I’m not giving Webb 7 seconds over him in the 2, although maybe Sahlman could’ve been faster too
You are way off on Webbs strength , he lost to one guy in HS his senior year in Ritz, who still has CR by over 25 seconds in Michigan over tons if all timers. Webb was 11th as a true Frosh in NCAA Xc
Sahlman was what? 140th +?
call me when Sahlman also runs 27:20’s for 10K
or 13:11 for 5K
and those were 14 years ago? Or so?
Webb was way better way stronger its not debatable really.
Webb had 3 seconds on Colin in the mile but Colin definitely had better strength. I’m not giving Webb 7 seconds over him in the 2, although maybe Sahlman could’ve been faster too
You are way off on Webbs strength , he lost to one guy in HS his senior year in Ritz, who still has CR by over 25 seconds in Michigan over tons if all timers. Webb was 11th as a true Frosh in NCAA Xc
Sahlman was what? 140th +?
call me when Sahlman also runs 27:20’s for 10K
or 13:11 for 5K
and those were 14 years ago? Or so?
Webb was way better way stronger its not debatable really.
Looking at last years times, this seems to be a 20 second PR for Birnbaum?!! He soloed an 8:55 in South Dakota last year.
I was telling my teamates before this race that I thought Birnbaum was the future of the mile in the US. I think he’s more of a speed based guy and he still crushed it at 2 miles. he’s incredible
I'm impressed with how many juniors were under 8:50.
Also, Kessler's 8:39 for the full 2 miles closing in 55 or whatever is the best HS 3200 / 2-mile performance of the last several years. Way better than Sahlman's 8:33.
You made a handle on this? Brosnan is NP's biggest fan. As for me, I am not going to criticize a program simply because it is the best distance program in American history, so I am swimming against the red tide here.
I may have a few things off here, but this is the list I wrote down yesterday of the team's performances, plus Lex and Leo Young. Try matching this anywhere in history in the U.S.
3:40, 3:59.9 1600, 4:03, 4:08, 4:16.
4:22, 4:23, 4:26, 4:27, 4:30
4:36, 4:38, 4:39, 4:41, 4:57. Many of those guys are underclassmen, with freshmen at 4:27, 4:30, 4:41, and 4:57.
No other programs in their history have had five guys under 9, have they? Not in one year certainly. They look like they'll have six. Three was the old record for Chapa's team in the 1970s.
Hammond HS had 3 under 9 for 2 miles, Newberry Park has zero under 9 for 2 miles, maybe one, Nico enroute to his 13:50 5000.
You made a handle on this? Brosnan is NP's biggest fan. As for me, I am not going to criticize a program simply because it is the best distance program in American history, so I am swimming against the red tide here.
I may have a few things off here, but this is the list I wrote down yesterday of the team's performances, plus Lex and Leo Young. Try matching this anywhere in history in the U.S.
3:40, 3:59.9 1600, 4:03, 4:08, 4:16.
4:22, 4:23, 4:26, 4:27, 4:30
4:36, 4:38, 4:39, 4:41, 4:57. Many of those guys are underclassmen, with freshmen at 4:27, 4:30, 4:41, and 4:57.
No other programs in their history have had five guys under 9, have they? Not in one year certainly. They look like they'll have six. Three was the old record for Chapa's team in the 1970s.
Hammond HS had 3 under 9 for 2 miles, Newberry Park has zero under 9 for 2 miles, maybe one, Nico enroute to his 13:50 5000.
Of this year's NP runners while none have run under 9 for two miles in the strictest sense several of their performances at 3200 clearly convert to sub 9 for two miles. Both Leo and Lex have run sub 8:40 for 3200, and Aaron ran 8:48 last year at Arcadia. I think Cantu's conversion just falls short of being 9 and Seymour just missed sub 9 indoors for the full two miles, running 9:00.44.
Webb had 3 seconds on Colin in the mile but Colin definitely had better strength. I’m not giving Webb 7 seconds over him in the 2, although maybe Sahlman could’ve been faster too
Do you know that Webb placed 11th at the 2001 NCAA Cross Country Championships as a freshman, helping his Michigan team place first that year?
Webb had 3 seconds on Colin in the mile but Colin definitely had better strength. I’m not giving Webb 7 seconds over him in the 2, although maybe Sahlman could’ve been faster too
You are way off on Webbs strength , he lost to one guy in HS his senior year in Ritz, who still has CR by over 25 seconds in Michigan over tons if all timers. Webb was 11th as a true Frosh in NCAA Xc
Sahlman was what? 140th +?
call me when Sahlman also runs 27:20’s for 10K
or 13:11 for 5K
and those were 14 years ago? Or so?
Webb was way better way stronger its not debatable really.
Webb had 3 seconds on Colin in the mile but Colin definitely had better strength. I’m not giving Webb 7 seconds over him in the 2, although maybe Sahlman could’ve been faster too
You are way off on Webbs strength , he lost to one guy in HS his senior year in Ritz, who still has CR by over 25 seconds in Michigan over tons if all timers. Webb was 11th as a true Frosh in NCAA Xc
Sahlman was what? 140th +?
call me when Sahlman also runs 27:20’s for 10K
or 13:11 for 5K
and those were 14 years ago? Or so?
Webb was way better way stronger its not debatable really.
is what it is
Whenever anyone brings up Webb or Hall or Ritz beating Webb and Hall, all anyone wants to talk about is how good their pro careers were. I don't care. I don't care how good he was in college. I don't care how good he was the august before college. We're talking about high school.
He only lost to ritz, yes, by 20 seconds. He beat Ryan Hall (14:50 Woodward guy, not 2:05 marathoner) by 4.
His mile run is one of the greatest performances ever no doubt. I'm still not giving him 7 seconds over Sahlman for 2 miles.
You are way off on Webbs strength , he lost to one guy in HS his senior year in Ritz, who still has CR by over 25 seconds in Michigan over tons if all timers. Webb was 11th as a true Frosh in NCAA Xc
Sahlman was what? 140th +?
call me when Sahlman also runs 27:20’s for 10K
or 13:11 for 5K
and those were 14 years ago? Or so?
Webb was way better way stronger its not debatable really.
is what it is
Whenever anyone brings up Webb or Hall or Ritz beating Webb and Hall, all anyone wants to talk about is how good their pro careers were. I don't care. I don't care how good he was in college. I don't care how good he was the august before college. We're talking about high school.
He only lost to ritz, yes, by 20 seconds. He beat Ryan Hall (14:50 Woodward guy, not 2:05 marathoner) by 4.
His mile run is one of the greatest performances ever no doubt. I'm still not giving him 7 seconds over Sahlman for 2 miles.
Imagine Webb running for Newbury Park at the same time as Sahlman
Same training, same shoes
He'd prob put 7 seconds into Sahlman on the bell lap alone of a 3200
Whenever anyone brings up Webb or Hall or Ritz beating Webb and Hall, all anyone wants to talk about is how good their pro careers were. I don't care. I don't care how good he was in college. I don't care how good he was the august before college. We're talking about high school.
He only lost to ritz, yes, by 20 seconds. He beat Ryan Hall (14:50 Woodward guy, not 2:05 marathoner) by 4.
His mile run is one of the greatest performances ever no doubt. I'm still not giving him 7 seconds over Sahlman for 2 miles.
Imagine Webb running for Newbury Park at the same time as Sahlman
Same training, same shoes
He'd prob put 7 seconds into Sahlman on the bell lap alone of a 3200
Idc about the shoes. I’m using Sahlman an to talk about Webb vs LV. So any seconds you give Webb for the shoes go to Lukas as well.
As for training, he did 60 miles a week. Hard workouts. Same as Sahlman to any significant approximation. Unless we want to make this a brosnan discussion.
Valor Christian boasts an unrivaled tandem of elite 3200m runners, with Brooke Wilson (9:59.49) and Cole Sprout (8:40.73) poised to claim the title of the fastest female and male prep runners from the same school.
Valor Christian boasts an unrivaled tandem of elite 3200m runners, with Brooke Wilson (9:59.49) and Cole Sprout (8:40.73) poised to claim the title of the fastest female and male prep runners from the same school.
Colin Sahlman Mile 3:56 (3:54 1600m)
Samantha McDonnell Mile 4:38( 4:36 1600m)
Great feat for Sahlman and McDonnell, cumulative at 3200m. They're not the fastest preps at 3200m, itself, from the same high school.
Might be just me, but I believe Aaron Sahlman’s best distance right now is the 3200, not the 800 or 1600/mile. Yes, 1:48.9 -1:49.07 are very good times, but the kid has raced a 8:37c 3200 (indoors at the Armory as a junior), finishing 6th at Running Lane after pacing the entire field for 2.5 miles to record setting XC 5k times as a junior, and of course won NXN in a surprise this past season. I don’t know who’s dictating his racing schedule, but it’d be a shame if he didn’t race 3200/2miles all out this senior year.
Valor Christian still has the fastest male/female pair in the 3200m in HS history. Samantha Mcdonnel ran a 10:13 vs Wilson 9:59 (13sec difference)
and Cole Sprout 8:40 vs Colin Sahlman 8:33. (7sec difference)
A bit off the radar, but Ventura (Engelhardt 9:50 and Fast Horse 8:51) are a pretty close second. In the next 2 years, it seems probable they could chop off the 3 seconds they are behind.
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