Is it possible they set up the start position wrong in 2015?
I mean she ran it several times and ran 1940 and 20 minutes
Looks like the finish line is at a designated spot but I'd have to guess the course was short that year
Or who knows maybe some of the turns were different and it got shortened that way
Anyway 2018 on YouTube is a pretty fast race and they ran a 1940 in good conditions
Ostrander was fast running a 1520 5k later in 2016....
But still it doesn't seem to make sense
Yeah I agree. It seems like an outlier compared to other times of Allie's and other times to win. Allie was an amazing runner so not to take away from that but it does stand out.
Monson won in 2019 in 19:39 beating Kelati and lacctic rated that a 15:24. 5 went sub 20.
Mccabes time was rated 15:28.
I think Ostrander's 15:20 supports the validity of her 19:19 mark and won't be shocked if 2022 Nuttycombe generates times in the 19:15--19:25 range if the weather cooperates. McCabe ran 19:29 in Tallahassee last Nov and though she hasn't peaked yet, she's already running quicker than a year ago. Tuohy's current form and track PBs indicate she can smash Allie O's CR in fab conditions with speedy competition pushing her.
Yeah I agree. It seems like an outlier compared to other times of Allie's and other times to win. Allie was an amazing runner so not to take away from that but it does stand out.
Monson won in 2019 in 19:39 beating Kelati and lacctic rated that a 15:24. 5 went sub 20.
Mccabes time was rated 15:28.
I think Ostrander's 15:20 supports the validity of her 19:19 mark and won't be shocked if 2022 Nuttycombe generates times in the 19:15--19:25 range if the weather cooperates. McCabe ran 19:29 in Tallahassee last Nov and though she hasn't peaked yet, she's already running quicker than a year ago. Tuohy's current form and track PBs indicate she can smash Allie O's CR in fab conditions with speedy competition pushing her.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO... U r wrong!
KELATI ran 1936 and then 1515 in 2018... While Ostrander ran 1920 and 1520 in 2015 same time frame between races!
So NO NO NO NO... did I mention ... No No No... Course was short!
Why not? Allie's clearly better at XC. She was the mountain running jr world champ. Why would they all have the same conversion to a 5K track time? It's not a constant.
Why not? Allie's clearly better at XC. She was the mountain running jr world champ. Why would they all have the same conversion to a 5K track time? It's not a constant.
I think of all the courses that might be short once, that would be one of the last I would suspect.....nice day, maybe firm surface, 2 good runners going hard, exceptional time.
High school records aren't awarded on the basis of age, and as Tuohy knows well, high school girls don't necessarily run faster as they go through high school. Her high school career peaked in her sophomore year at 15 and 16 years old. Fortunately, unlike many other prodigies, she has had a very soft landing as a sophomore and junior in college and is running very well and way faster than as a sophomore in high school. But Natalie Cook crushed her high school 5000m record with 15:25.93, beat her 2M with a 9:44.44i while Addy Wiley ran a 4:27.71 mile, which is 1136 IAAF points, vs. 1113 for Cook's 5000m, vs. 1092 for Tuohy's 5000m performance of 15:37. Wiley's mile is the all-time high school record, Tuohy's best is fifth-best performance (4:33.87 in 2018), and Cook's 5000m is the all-time high school record. Tuohy has the 3rd best indoor 3k performance and 7th best overall 2M at 9:51. Cook's 2M is second-best. Mary Cain is #3 all-time at 800m, #1 all-time at 1500m, #2 in the mile, #4 in the 3k (which doesn't count her 8:58), #1 in the 2M, and still #4 in that 5000m Salazar had her run just for a qualifier without training specifically for it (15:45). It's clear as day that Mary Cain is the best ever American hs distance runner, and that Cook and Wiley were better than Tuohy. Tuohy at 20 ran 15:14. Tuohy has the U.S. junior (u20) 3k record at 8:54, but is 6th in the U20 5000m, while Cook is 2nd.
Let’s not forget about Savanna Shaw as well. NC had 2 of their top 5 not run.
Shaw is not in the NC State top five. She wasn't even in their top 7 last year. She was their 6th best in the 5k in the outdoor a few months back (counting Chmiel ahead of her, who was injured during outdoor). Shaw has had much better results on the track than in XC. Assuming Chmiel is somewhat near top form and will be in the top 5 when she gets back, and based on the results from the first two XC meets, at best Shaw is fighting with Howlett and Quarzo for the 6th and 7th spots.
Howlett improved a lot, sam improved alot, nevada also improved .. all three of them together with savannah trained in boulder!! so im assuming sav also improved ?? they were running 70 miles at altitude, that should get her at better fitness like the rest of the girls that trained w her! she just needs to believe in herself
Ok, there are no xc course records in your world, lets go with that, so dont talk with us if we talk about it, coz its nonexistent in your own little world.
Let’s not forget about Savanna Shaw as well. NC had 2 of their top 5 not run.
Shaw is not in the NC State top five. She wasn't even in their top 7 last year. She was their 6th best in the 5k in the outdoor a few months back (counting Chmiel ahead of her, who was injured during outdoor). Shaw has had much better results on the track than in XC. Assuming Chmiel is somewhat near top form and will be in the top 5 when she gets back, and based on the results from the first two XC meets, at best Shaw is fighting with Howlett and Quarzo for the 6th and 7th spots.
I hope you're right, and that Shaw can put it together in XC this season, and transfer that success from the track. She ran a 16:52 in the Adidas Challenge, 5 seconds ahead of Quarzo. So perhaps if that race was just a rust buster, Shaw could beat out Quarzo and Howlett for that 6th spot. Quarzo is another one that has really made a lot of improvement from last year. Whoever it is, I hope they can get some good quality depth at the #6 and 7 spots, because we don't really know what Chmiel will be able to to do when she comes back....and New Mexico, Alabama, and Oklahoma State have also improved a lot and will be stiff competition to win at Nationals. Seems like this season is shaping up to have some of the strongest teams (and individuals) in the history of the sport. It's going to take an incredibly strong top 5 to win at Nationals.
I don't know how much more Tuohy had on Friday, but they just put her finishing the Joe Piane on the NC State Instagram and she looks nowhere near as spent as she was in winning the 5,000 in June.