Another racial hoax: BYU volleyball game

add it yup wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

You are 100% right and the thing that is just mind blowing is that we as a society have been right here before with the Duke Lacrosse team debacle. Seriously if someone can explain how this is fundamentally any different to that situation I'd like to hear it.

We have a situation grounded on racial impropriety that has been fueled by people not even at the event in question, where people have jumped to conclusions and taken drastic measures which could have serious impact on potentially innocent peoples lives. I mean some people have short memories don't they - The Duke situation nearly ended the lives (figuratively and in some cases literally as kids were ready to kill themselves over it) and careers of some of those and now we just want to go down this road again with the verdict before the f-ing arraignment.

I'll tell you what the biggest tragedy is? That the more these potentially bogus stories get plugged as reality and eventually debunked, the more it draws away credibility and attention to real acts of racism and vitriol. The saddest part is that these people "fighting for justice" are actually just selfish a$holes trying to leverage situations for their own causes and they couldn't care less about the damage it potentially does, they just scurry away waiting for the next opportunity.

Let's hear more facts if that's possible and not hearsay from people not even in attendance.

What's mind blowing is that in a country with as troubled a racial past (and present) as our own......it's the Duke incident which is pointed out as the 'debacle' and 'the biggest tragedy.' Maybe time to brush up on your history.

You're talking about people jumping to conclusions, yet it's the LRC crowd that just can't wait to call an incident a 'hoax' before all the facts and evidence come out.

Was the BYU incident a 'hoax'? We'll see, we probably won't ever know for sure. I'm a bit divided myself. The story about the kid following her to her team bus because he 'mistook her for his friend' seems just a little fishy.

There's several possibilities and explanations for what might have happened, and anyone jumping in right now and saying they know 100% what happened is clearly wrong.

What's really strange and a bit alarming is the emotional vigor in which a segment of the LRC crowd jumps in to proclaim everyone of these incidents a 'hoax' with near religious glee.

It's just weird.

It's also telling that some of the same posters who say things like 'slavery wasn't that bad' and say that calling flag kneelers racial slurs is OK, just happen to be the quickest and loudest voices to call these reported racist. incidents 'hoaxes'

Did someone yell racial slurs at a BYU volleyball game? We don't know. There's definitely evidence to support the possibility that it didn't happen.

What we do know is that people in the US do yell racial slurs at black players and we do know that at least one poster in this thread thinks that's ok.

Was there a racist incident at that volley game? Maybe, maybe not. But there is w/o a doubt a racists in this country and on this board.

Cray Cray wrote:

add it yup wrote:

What's mind blowing is that in a country with as troubled a racial past (and present) as our own......it's the Duke incident which is pointed out as the 'debacle' and 'the biggest tragedy.' Maybe time to brush up on your history.

You're talking about people jumping to conclusions, yet it's the LRC crowd that just can't wait to call an incident a 'hoax' before all the facts and evidence come out.

Was the BYU incident a 'hoax'? We'll see, we probably won't ever know for sure. I'm a bit divided myself. The story about the kid following her to her team bus because he 'mistook her for his friend' seems just a little fishy.

There's several possibilities and explanations for what might have happened, and anyone jumping in right now and saying they know 100% what happened is clearly wrong.

What's really strange and a bit alarming is the emotional vigor in which a segment of the LRC crowd jumps in to proclaim everyone of these incidents a 'hoax' with near religious glee.

It's just weird.

It's also telling that some of the same posters who say things like 'slavery wasn't that bad' and say that calling flag kneelers racial slurs is OK, just happen to be the quickest and loudest voices to call these reported racist. incidents 'hoaxes'

Did someone yell racial slurs at a BYU volleyball game? We don't know. There's definitely evidence to support the possibility that it didn't happen.

What we do know is that people in the US do yell racial slurs at black players and we do know that at least one poster in this thread thinks that's ok.

Was there a racist incident at that volley game? Maybe, maybe not. But there is w/o a doubt a racists in this country and on this board.

There’s racists in this country and on this board?! Not exactly splitting the atom there….

and unfortunately there always will be…

I’m curious: in your opinion…are all of these racists white?

add it yup wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

You are 100% right and the thing that is just mind blowing is that we as a society have been right here before with the Duke Lacrosse team debacle. Seriously if someone can explain how this is fundamentally any different to that situation I'd like to hear it.

We have a situation grounded on racial impropriety that has been fueled by people not even at the event in question, where people have jumped to conclusions and taken drastic measures which could have serious impact on potentially innocent peoples lives. I mean some people have short memories don't they - The Duke situation nearly ended the lives (figuratively and in some cases literally as kids were ready to kill themselves over it) and careers of some of those and now we just want to go down this road again with the verdict before the f-ing arraignment.

I'll tell you what the biggest tragedy is? That the more these potentially bogus stories get plugged as reality and eventually debunked, the more it draws away credibility and attention to real acts of racism and vitriol. The saddest part is that these people "fighting for justice" are actually just selfish a$holes trying to leverage situations for their own causes and they couldn't care less about the damage it potentially does, they just scurry away waiting for the next opportunity.

Let's hear more facts if that's possible and not hearsay from people not even in attendance.

What's mind blowing is that in a country with as troubled a racial past (and present) as our own......it's the Duke incident which is pointed out as the 'debacle' and 'the biggest tragedy.' Maybe time to brush up on your history.

You're talking about people jumping to conclusions, yet it's the LRC crowd that just can't wait to call an incident a 'hoax' before all the facts and evidence come out.

Was the BYU incident a 'hoax'? We'll see, we probably won't ever know for sure. I'm a bit divided myself. The story about the kid following her to her team bus because he 'mistook her for his friend' seems just a little fishy.

There's several possibilities and explanations for what might have happened, and anyone jumping in right now and saying they know 100% what happened is clearly wrong.

What's really strange and a bit alarming is the emotional vigor in which a segment of the LRC crowd jumps in to proclaim everyone of these incidents a 'hoax' with near religious glee.

It's just weird.

It's also telling that some of the same posters who say things like 'slavery wasn't that bad' and say that calling flag kneelers racial slurs is OK, just happen to be the quickest and loudest voices to call these reported racist. incidents 'hoaxes'

Did someone yell racial slurs at a BYU volleyball game? We don't know. There's definitely evidence to support the possibility that it didn't happen.

What we do know is that people in the US do yell racial slurs at black players and we do know that at least one poster in this thread thinks that's ok.

Was there a racist incident at that volley game? Maybe, maybe not. But there is w/o a doubt a racists in this country and on this board.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Okay hold on friend - don't let your emotional state cloud reading and comprehension here.

I never said or contended that what happened to the Duke Lacrosse team is on a par with historical racism in America's history. What I did was specifically relate it to this particular incident because of the multiple parallels and dynamics involved. When I refer to the Duke situation as a "debacle" it absolutely was and the reason why it was a total clusterf--k was primarily because the allegations were totally false yet the court of public opinion released it's verdict within 24 hours and it nearly ruined innocent lives. That count's as a debacle, sorry.

As for myself, never once did I say this was either a hoax or all call "everyone of these incidents a hoax" so some life advice I would offer you, is just be more careful what you accuse people of or quote them as saying. Now this is a messageboard and you can paint a narrative about myself or anyone here however you want like a real internet tough-guy but the litigious "real" world might not be as forgiving.

As for the poster that thinks yelling slurs at players is okay well we are on the same side of the fence with respect to if that's okay or not. Clearly that's deplorable and I would guess that 99% of posters here agree. Don't know what that has to do with me though, I never even suggested that was okay. And finally this statement around "racists in America and on this board" - in America 100%. On this board, most likely. But surely you wouldn't contend that the actions of some of a certain skin color or racial ethnicity epitomize or characterize the behavior and ideologies of the entire group of that skin color or ethnicity would you? Because of course that would be racial stereotyping in itself - a key facet of the concept of racism itself.

I guess back to a point I made earlier, the problem is the overwhelming evidence directs unfortunately towards these claims being unfounded. With the evidence and "facts" at hand, it's hard to believe that an entire group of people, most of whom unrelated and surely diverse to some degree themselves (impossible that the entire section was all white with no connections to people of color by way of various forms of kinship) would conspire together to direct away from a truth. Are the allegations, if indeed false, then not a form of racism themselves? Is not trying to implicate someone with such an awful thing almost more awful itself? Maybe some self reflection is needed my friend.

add it yup wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Okay hold on friend - don't let your emotional state cloud reading and comprehension here.

I never said or contended that what happened to the Duke Lacrosse team is on a par with historical racism in America's history. What I did was specifically relate it to this particular incident because of the multiple parallels and dynamics involved. When I refer to the Duke situation as a "debacle" it absolutely was and the reason why it was a total clusterf--k was primarily because the allegations were totally false yet the court of public opinion released it's verdict within 24 hours and it nearly ruined innocent lives. That count's as a debacle, sorry.

As for myself, never once did I say this was either a hoax or all call "everyone of these incidents a hoax" so some life advice I would offer you, is just be more careful what you accuse people of or quote them as saying. Now this is a messageboard and you can paint a narrative about myself or anyone here however you want like a real internet tough-guy but the litigious "real" world might not be as forgiving.

As for the poster that thinks yelling slurs at players is okay well we are on the same side of the fence with respect to if that's okay or not. Clearly that's deplorable and I would guess that 99% of posters here agree. Don't know what that has to do with me though, I never even suggested that was okay. And finally this statement around "racists in America and on this board" - in America 100%. On this board, most likely. But surely you wouldn't contend that the actions of some of a certain skin color or racial ethnicity epitomize or characterize the behavior and ideologies of the entire group of that skin color or ethnicity would you? Because of course that would be racial stereotyping in itself - a key facet of the concept of racism itself.

I guess back to a point I made earlier, the problem is the overwhelming evidence directs unfortunately towards these claims being unfounded. With the evidence and "facts" at hand, it's hard to believe that an entire group of people, most of whom unrelated and surely diverse to some degree themselves (impossible that the entire section was all white with no connections to people of color by way of various forms of kinship) would conspire together to direct away from a truth. Are the allegations, if indeed false, then not a form of racism themselves? Is not trying to implicate someone with such an awful thing almost more awful itself? Maybe some self reflection is needed my friend.

So, when I specifically and intentionally addressed parts my post to 'the LRC crowd' and 'certain segments of the LRC crowd', you thought I was referring to you in particular?

You can't remove the response to these incidents from historical (and the current political) context, and I'm sure you know that. The very reason each of these threats, real or not, are taken so seriously is because of that historical context. You can't complain about the threats being taken too seriously w/o acknowledging the very reason they are taken so seriously.

I'm sure you understand why, when considered in the historical scale of racism in this country, calling the Duke incident the 'greatest debacle' or 'greatest tragedy' or anything along those lines is a slap in the face to the real national scale tragedy that is racism in this country.