I'm sure they'll get along fine after this dust up. But a little competitive rivalry and bravado isn't going to hurt the sport. Hope it inspires them to some fast times and gets more eyeballs on the screen.
This crap won't increase viewership. My kids are 10 and 12 years old. I showed them the video of a bunch of races, but not this one.
Noah Lyles is not a role model. He's a jerk and a buffoon. He and his mom should be ashamed.
Lol, did you also ban Hocker's "Shhh!" win over Centro from last year? I hope to God their virgin eyes never have to see an old video of Ali showboating in the ring or talking trash, or God forbid Larry Bird showing up opponents by making them look silly and then mocking them. I lost my innoncence when i saw that stuff.
This crap won't increase viewership. My kids are 10 and 12 years old. I showed them the video of a bunch of races, but not this one.
Noah Lyles is not a role model. He's a jerk and a buffoon. He and his mom should be ashamed.
Lol, did you also ban Hocker's "Shhh!" win over Centro from last year? I hope to God their virgin eyes never have to see an old video of Ali showboating in the ring or talking trash, or God forbid Larry Bird showing up opponents by making them look silly and then mocking them. I lost my innoncence when i saw that stuff.
Cole Hocker did it to the crowd, not in Centro's face. Even the NBA has that rule. If you block a shot, you can no longer wave a finger in the face of a player. You have to wave your finger to the crowd. In the NFL you can spike the ball but you can't spike the ball AT someone.
You guys are weak and soft. This is mano y mano. Every time sprinters show personality you joggers start crying and labeling folks scumbags and other cotton ball names. You hated Carl, you loved Calvin Smith though, and he lost consistently. You hated Dennis, you hated Gwen T, you abhorred HSI, but rooted for all the under dogs! That says so much about you the athlete and person, not those you are commenting on. You do not have to like Noah or any of the sprinters you deem arrogant. Funny how you loved Bolt but hated anyone that dared challenge him, even though he had some of the most historic trash talking moments in track history! LOL As I was saying, you can root against those you do not like, this is sport, but reading how you haven't shown the race to your kids, etc. is soft! It is also very counter productive and you are contributing to the participation culture. This is competition and what happens between those lines, within the rules is fair game, period! Track has been the best when we have conflicts, because it is the pureness of the sport
Cole Hocker did it to the crowd, not in Centro's face. Even the NBA has that rule. If you block a shot, you can no longer wave a finger in the face of a player. You have to wave your finger to the crowd. In the NFL you can spike the ball but you can't spike the ball AT someone.
Yeah I don't completely agree with your voracity of disgust in general towards Lyles (it is just track after all), but this is a very valid point and the nuance in all of this.
There is a difference between Ovett waving up the home straight, Coe holding up the deuce for "there's two", Bolt pulling the "lighting bolt" before and after races, or Cole Hocker doing the "silence" gesture all of which are not directed at any one competitor.
Noah's little "hawhaw" finger point and the associated comments about "top speed" were directly directly at Knighton and yeah it makes a difference that Knighton is only 18. And there is also a difference between team sports like the NBA, NFL and individual sports like track, tennis, golf. Defaulting to "in the NBA and NFL it happens all the time" number one is a bad reference and number two didn't mean it was right, hence the cracking down on taunting in those leagues (as they finally grow the f--k up).
It was lazy "trash talk" - lowest denominator sort of stuff. Like how difficult is it to be Mr Hype rubbing it in peoples faces after you just beat them? Lyles could have made his points in a far classier way that simply wasn't directly disparaging to Knighton. Period.
You guys are weak and soft. This is mano y mano. Every time sprinters show personality you joggers start crying and labeling folks scumbags and other cotton ball names. You hated Carl, you loved Calvin Smith though, and he lost consistently. You hated Dennis, you hated Gwen T, you abhorred HSI, but rooted for all the under dogs! That says so much about you the athlete and person, not those you are commenting on. You do not have to like Noah or any of the sprinters you deem arrogant. Funny how you loved Bolt but hated anyone that dared challenge him, even though he had some of the most historic trash talking moments in track history! LOL As I was saying, you can root against those you do not like, this is sport, but reading how you haven't shown the race to your kids, etc. is soft! It is also very counter productive and you are contributing to the participation culture. This is competition and what happens between those lines, within the rules is fair game, period! Track has been the best when we have conflicts, because it is the pureness of the sport
Couple of points:
1) Nobody is against showing personality. This is about the content and not the essence of having a personality and showing it. If that really is his personality (which I don't even think it is) then that's a part you want to keep to yourself and/or your inner circle.
2) Please, give one example of Bolt singling out a competitor he just beat and disparaging them to their face. Seriously, if it exists it will be on youtube somewhere. Good luck with this one.
3) It's actually not the competition. If it was, and by that logic, would it be fine for Lyles to have spat in the guys face? Hey - what happens between the lines is fair game right and there is no rule specifically against doing that either. That would have caused conflict for sure - but that's the pureness of the sport? This logic is idiotic, sorry.
I seem to recall a forgotten sprinter named spouting off in an interview as the Jamaican victors walked by and laughed! How'd that been working out ever since for what's-her-name, oh huh, Sha'carri?
Ha! It was the moment the meet. I only laughed twice all of last week. Seeing Lyles doing his phone home thing and the video of the British mum in the field day race.
I remember playing early sports video games where a player score a touchdown and then proceed to just stop right after crossing the goal line and then robotically walk away. That's what some of y'all want actual athletes to act like.
It’s up to him to redeem his position as no. 1 at the World Championships.
Rivalries like this make me hella excited! This is what track & field needs!
Track was at it's peak popularity when Bolt ran. Bolt always treated everyone with respect, that's why people loved him. Was Bolt bad for the sport for not getting in people's face?
Perhaps you didn’t watch the 2012 Olympic semi-finals, when Bolt did the same pointy finger thing to Andre Degrasse that Lyles did to Knighton. Where do you think Lyles got the idea from?
And did you also miss the 2008 Olympic 100m final, when Bolt started thumping his chest 20 meters before the finish? Yes, it was a full 20 meters.
I mean if you can't figure out what's going on here then we have a problem. I hardly think there is any malice in this at all given both guys have huge smiles on their faces. The finger point from Bolt is an "ah I see you" vs a "ah I just crushed you" or you think differently.
As for you 2008 - yes, started doing the airplane and thumping his chest 30m from the line - once again as has been pointed out this is directly at no one person at all.
I'm sure they'll get along fine after this dust up. But a little competitive rivalry and bravado isn't going to hurt the sport. Hope it inspires them to some fast times and gets more eyeballs on the screen.
This crap won't increase viewership. My kids are 10 and 12 years old. I showed them the video of a bunch of races, but not this one.
Noah Lyles is not a role model. He's a jerk and a buffoon. He and his mom should be ashamed.
You are a worse parent than Noah's, that's for certain.
I mean if you can't figure out what's going on here then we have a problem. I hardly think there is any malice in this at all given both guys have huge smiles on their faces. The finger point from Bolt is an "ah I see you" vs a "ah I just crushed you" or you think differently.
As for you 2008 - yes, started doing the airplane and thumping his chest 30m from the line - once again as has been pointed out this is directly at no one person at all.
0/10 mate.
Perhaps the reason why I think differently is because I watched saw the angry interview Bolt gave after that 200m race, saying that he thought was DeGrasse did was not cool and disrespectful. You might want to check it out. And of course, his chest thumping was not directed at one person because he was treating everyone else in the race with disrespect.
We don't have a problem mate, you're just wrong, that's all.
I love T and F but the sad reality is that Bolden and Richards-Ross and others are so desperate to get people to watch and follow track more, they think this kind of thing grows viewership.
Perhaps the reason why I think differently is because I watched saw the angry interview Bolt gave after that 200m race, saying that he thought was DeGrasse did was not cool and disrespectful. You might want to check it out. And of course, his chest thumping was not directed at one person because he was treating everyone else in the race with disrespect.
We don't have a problem mate, you're just wrong, that's all.
Just in the interests of accuracy where in this clip does Bolt say he wasn't cool or disrespectful? Furthermore you started off with Bolt being allegedly disrespectful and now it's DeGrasse (based on running too fast?) - so who is it?
Yeah he that was too much. And then Lyles talked sh*t about his better speed in the post race interview. Rightfully, Knighton was not a fan.
Yes, the post race interview is usually off limits for trash talking. Just Lewis making nice and some soft questions. Guess Noah didn't get that memo. I liked him, seemed mostly fun guy, but yea now he is some kind of a$$holio. Be fun watching him lose for the next 7 years to his superior.
Just in the interest of accuracy, after making the statement: "I hardly think there is any malice in this at all given both guys have huge grins on their faces." you cited an article about the incident titled "Usain Bolt unhappy about DeGrasse." It doesn't take a lot of cognitive ability to see that there is an inconsistency there.
If you want to distract from that by quibbling over whether Bolt's unhappiness about DeGrasse was based on his feeling that DeGrasse was being disrespectful, there's this:
It doesn't take a lot of cognitive ability to recognize that Bolt's becoming sincerely offended that a competitor would be so disrespectful as to dare try to finish ahead of him in a semi-final race shows a lack of respect on Bolt's part, as did beating on his chest well before the end of the 2008 Olympic 100m race.
See, if I were you, I'd adopt the energy saving strategy (that was the actual issue that led to the finger pointing between DeGrasse and Bolt) and shut it down.
