c'mon, 3:47 as a junior in high school. Seriously?
It's a great time for a junior in high school, but that's still 8 seconds behind Colin, and they are only 2 seconds apart in the 3200. It's an absolutely incredible time, but still not what I would've thought, and nothing super surprising as the NP boys have been this season.
Seen through neutral glasses: Of course Lex is running a greeat race for a guy just turned 17 but....................
he is only about 1.5 seconds ahead of 14 years old Jakob and some behind Jakob´s 3:42 time at 15. Jakob ran 3:31 at 17.
I actually respect some of the dumb moves he makes, kid has a ton of heart and no fear.
Agree with you here. I guess I'm just figuring that if he/Brosnan are going to keep putting him into races like this (and on the hunch that he won't be in college long), they ought to be working on this stuff now and he ought to be street smarter. (I might be asking too much based on his times)
After Colin's not so great tactics in the 1500 at Sound Running, Brosnan said he would work with Colin on how to race smarter. But obviously the smarter racing didn't happen tonight.
This 800 wasn't originally on Colin's schedule but it was added a few days ago for him to get some more race experience before Pre. It showed that Brosnan needs to keep working with Colin on race tactics.
The good news is that at Pre Colin won't be able to run most of the race in lane two because everyone else will be running too fast.
If Colin can improve his race tactics by mid-June at Brooks PR, I think that he will run sub 1:48.
It's a great time for a junior in high school, but that's still 8 seconds behind Colin, and they are only 2 seconds apart in the 3200. It's an absolutely incredible time, but still not what I would've thought, and nothing super surprising as the NP boys have been this season.
Seen through neutral glasses: Of course Lex is running a greeat race for a guy just turned 17 but....................
he is only about 1.5 seconds ahead of 14 years old Jakob and some behind Jakob´s 3:42 time at 15. Jakob ran 3:31 at 17.
I was at the meet. Lex ran a decent but not great time mainly because it was pretty windy.
Lex will be running at least one more 1500/mile race in June. If the conditions are good he should be able to run several seconds faster than he did tonight.
Tanner underperformed at washington ... i'll say it again this guy is pure class . i've watched him improve every year and can kick with the best of them . The us college system is great but it doesn't bring out the best in everybody just like it works great for others. keep enjoying life Sam and before long we'll be saying textbook kiwi !
Please tell me how the 5000 went. I knew that 4:07 Flanagan who is the absolute worst front runner in the business would never lead but he would win off of a slow pace. At face value this seems like know big deal but FLANAGAN NEEDS A TIME. I am shocked that he has been a Pro for 3 years and still never has learned how to flush the pace. He will forever be 4:07 Flanagan to me as that 4 x mile will be the ugliest stain possible on a mans resume.
Please tell me how the 5000 went. I knew that 4:07 Flanagan who is the absolute worst front runner in the business would never lead but he would win off of a slow pace. At face value this seems like know big deal but FLANAGAN NEEDS A TIME. I am shocked that he has been a Pro for 3 years and still never has learned how to flush the pace. He will forever be 4:07 Flanagan to me as that 4 x mile will be the ugliest stain possible on a mans resume.
Agree with you here. I guess I'm just figuring that if he/Brosnan are going to keep putting him into races like this (and on the hunch that he won't be in college long), they ought to be working on this stuff now and he ought to be street smarter. (I might be asking too much based on his times)
After Colin's not so great tactics in the 1500 at Sound Running, Brosnan said he would work with Colin on how to race smarter. But obviously the smarter racing didn't happen tonight.
This 800 wasn't originally on Colin's schedule but it was added a few days ago for him to get some more race experience before Pre. It showed that Brosnan needs to keep working with Colin on race tactics.
The good news is that at Pre Colin won't be able to run most of the race in lane two because everyone else will be running too fast.
If Colin can improve his race tactics by mid-June at Brooks PR, I think that he will run sub 1:48.
Brosnan has had 4 years to work on his tactics. Why would you think they will get any better in the next month. Is he going to wave a magic wand now?
Please tell me how the 5000 went. I knew that 4:07 Flanagan who is the absolute worst front runner in the business would never lead but he would win off of a slow pace. At face value this seems like know big deal but FLANAGAN NEEDS A TIME. I am shocked that he has been a Pro for 3 years and still never has learned how to flush the pace. He will forever be 4:07 Flanagan to me as that 4 x mile will be the ugliest stain possible on a mans resume.
who cares about a 4xmile?
ON cares. They flew him in for just that performance. Runnerspace cared as they hyped it for a month. The fans at Penn Relays cared
More eyes were on his 4:07 mile than any other TRACK performance that he has run since College. Fact
1. The worst track meet I have seen in some while. The 800 meter races were flat out awful. People come to see the stars. Put Cooper Teare in the main heat. He would have won it.
2. The 5000 was a gigantic snooze fest. Why run it? Who was in it?
2. The one exception being the HS kids who continue to run great and show promise. There is a big body of work on Colin Sahlman now and it's impressive to say the least. I wonder how hard Nike is pushing for a contract. Would not surprise me if he goes to NAU as a PRO - like someone else we know who ran 3:38 in the 1500.
3. Lex young will return for his senior year in HIGH SCHOOL with a 14:03 PR over 5K in cross and 13:43 PR 5K on the track. Legendary Stuff. Unprecedented.
4. Cole Hocker looked a little heavy and a little slow. Cooper Teare is clearly the best of the 1500/Mile US runners in 2022. If the Bowerman mile goes out fast, I fully expect Cooper Teare to run 3:49 or better (Top 4).
5. Sam Tanner has recovered form his disastrous stint at the University of Washington.
6. Hobbs Kessler is a year out but he will be fine.
The good: decent time given the wind and decent finishing 400. Also put himself closer to the front the first 300 m, a contrast to his tactics last spring.
The bad: he let a gap form with the front group around 500-450 m to go and seemed further out of it than his time with around 100 m to go. He was too far out to see his closing 100 m on camera but it appears he closed some distance.
Taken as a whole, this was a good result given recent injury. It was likely the best he could do. He still needs more race experience at this level. He was likely strung out at 500 m to go and needs to learn to not allow any gaps to form.
Teare is clearly fit but his tactics/positioning were horrible, in the slow heat nonetheless. It's almost as if avoiding real races for four months has some downsides...
It always surprises me when an athlete has one fabulous breakout year and everyone expects they will just automatically return to that standard or just keep getting better.
Its like Mu and Keely. You'd think two 19 year olds running 1.55 then would have to be better and totally dominate this year but it rarely works like that.
Like when COVID postpone everything a year there were two youngsters dominating their events where being a year older you'd think they both be more dominant the next year. Brazier and Mondo but I said I thought only one of the two would.
You picked poor examples with Athing and Keely. In what way has Mu looked anything but crushingly dominant so far this year? And Keely had some very solid/dominant races before opting out of worlds with a niggle.
I can't believe all the second-guessing we have right now when the pro season has barely begun. Hassan and Gidey haven't even raced yet this year. Do you think they won't be crushing it again this summer?
You picked poor examples with Athing and Keely. In what way has Mu looked anything but crushingly dominant so far this year? And Keely had some very solid/dominant races before opting out of worlds with a niggle.
I can't believe all the second-guessing we have right now when the pro season has barely begun. Hassan and Gidey haven't even raced yet this year. Do you think they won't be crushing it again this summer?
Not running is not the same as running slowly or looking sluggish. Honestly, after last summer, did you ever think you would see Hocker unable to run down Gourley and Tanner at the end of a 3:36 1500 unless he’s coming off a known injury or illness? Ok, it’s not a disaster because the other Americans were behind him, but still….no way to say it’s looks promising that he would be battling Jakob, Tim, Kipsang for a medal. After Tokyo, that was the expectation. Maybe that’s unfair to him, and I’m not saying missing out on a global medal is a failure, but he was expected to be in the mix. Does it look like the runner you saw last night is going to be able to run 3:28-9 and out kick Kipsang in 2 months?
You picked poor examples with Athing and Keely. In what way has Mu looked anything but crushingly dominant so far this year? And Keely had some very solid/dominant races before opting out of worlds with a niggle.
I can't believe all the second-guessing we have right now when the pro season has barely begun. Hassan and Gidey haven't even raced yet this year. Do you think they won't be crushing it again this summer?
Not running is not the same as running slowly or looking sluggish. Honestly, after last summer, did you ever think you would see Hocker unable to run down Gourley and Tanner at the end of a 3:36 1500 unless he’s coming off a known injury or illness? Ok, it’s not a disaster because the other Americans were behind him, but still….no way to say it’s looks promising that he would be battling Jakob, Tim, Kipsang for a medal. After Tokyo, that was the expectation. Maybe that’s unfair to him, and I’m not saying missing out on a global medal is a failure, but he was expected to be in the mix. Does it look like the runner you saw last night is going to be able to run 3:28-9 and out kick Kipsang in 2 months?
I think you are overreacting to one race. Yeah he didnt look great but he ran a 3:50 indoor mile off poor pacing, cruised to 2 indoor US titles, and ran 13:08 already. He is clearly not as sharp as he was last year, but he will be fine this year.
Tanner and Gourley are race sharp compared to Hocker. They’ve raced and chased multiple times for the 1500m standard this season while this is Hocker’s season opener in the 1500m. I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
This was a very similar result to last year when Hocker finished third at Oregon Twilight and ran 3:36. A month later he was able to close in 52 and run 3:35. We know Hocker is very strong evidenced by his 13:08 earlier this season. Once he sharpens up he will be ready when it counts.
You picked poor examples with Athing and Keely. In what way has Mu looked anything but crushingly dominant so far this year? And Keely had some very solid/dominant races before opting out of worlds with a niggle.
I can't believe all the second-guessing we have right now when the pro season has barely begun. Hassan and Gidey haven't even raced yet this year. Do you think they won't be crushing it again this summer?
Not running is not the same as running slowly or looking sluggish. Honestly, after last summer, did you ever think you would see Hocker unable to run down Gourley and Tanner at the end of a 3:36 1500 unless he’s coming off a known injury or illness? Ok, it’s not a disaster because the other Americans were behind him, but still….no way to say it’s looks promising that he would be battling Jakob, Tim, Kipsang for a medal. After Tokyo, that was the expectation. Maybe that’s unfair to him, and I’m not saying missing out on a global medal is a failure, but he was expected to be in the mix. Does it look like the runner you saw last night is going to be able to run 3:28-9 and out kick Kipsang in 2 months?
Jakob was a far superior talent than Hocker and he got run out of the medals twice in 2019. It takes time, and development is not linear. Although I think Hocker could run 3:30 this year, it also wouldn't surprise me if he only runs 3:34. In his first year as a pro, his aims should still be modest with anything more, like a medal, seen as a bonus
Jakob was a far superior talent than Hocker and he got run out of the medals twice in 2019. It takes time, and development is not linear. Although I think Hocker could run 3:30 this year, it also wouldn't surprise me if he only runs 3:34. In his first year as a pro, his aims should still be modest with anything more, like a medal, seen as a bonus
Ok, got it. I’ll stay hopeful and time will tell. What perplexes me is that Teare looks a lot “sharper” already than Hocker and yet I assume they are doing exactly the same training. I know it’s not a fair comparison, but Teare looked relatively explosive at the end of his 800 and Hocker looked flat. If the experts (I say this will all sincerity) say chill out, Hocker is looking just fine, no problem. I just hope we see the 3:30 Hocker with a kick in July and not the 3:34 Hocker who misses the semis.