I dont believe that.sorry.19.49 is impossible for a teenager without the aid of super shoes,super fast track and drugs.I dont care how "freakishly talented "he is.Teenagers cant run that fast.
The problem I have with this race was the results of some lesser men, suggesting perfect conditions. Behind Knighton, Fahnbulleh was only 1/100th off his PB; Dorian Camel (who?!) knocked 31/100ths off his recent PB - & he started the year with a 21.00 PB according to WA - and ran 20 flat (which would have ranked him 11th in the World last year) and 4th placer Brendon Rodney, aged 30 now, ran his fastest 200m for 6 years...
Maybe the wind direction was the perfect cross wind for a 200m, maybe it was stronger than what was recorded, I don't know, but I do know that when someone goes from a 20.3 PB from a few weeks ago (after starting the year at 21.0) & when a 30 yr old runs their fastest for 6 years, little alarm bells go off in my head.
This time last year, Laird* was the only legal sub 20 American, with 19.81. By the end of the season 10 men - 5 Americans - had gone sub 20. Already in 2022 there are 7 men under 20, and 6 are American. The 200m is crazy already, but I fear this race is not representative of what they will run the rest of the season.
*where IS Laird?! Nothing since the Olympic Trials last year, he deleted all his social media, then came back on Instagram with the ominous post "Just know my story gets better cause I know the author. Keep reading it's a comeback story"....
The problem I have with this race was the results of some lesser men, suggesting perfect conditions. Behind Knighton, Fahnbulleh was only 1/100th off his PB; Dorian Camel (who?!) knocked 31/100ths off his recent PB - & he started the year with a 21.00 PB according to WA - and ran 20 flat (which would have ranked him 11th in the World last year) and 4th placer Brendon Rodney, aged 30 now, ran his fastest 200m for 6 years...
Maybe the wind direction was the perfect cross wind for a 200m, maybe it was stronger than what was recorded, I don't know, but I do know that when someone goes from a 20.3 PB from a few weeks ago (after starting the year at 21.0) & when a 30 yr old runs their fastest for 6 years, little alarm bells go off in my head.
This time last year, Laird* was the only legal sub 20 American, with 19.81. By the end of the season 10 men - 5 Americans - had gone sub 20. Already in 2022 there are 7 men under 20, and 6 are American. The 200m is crazy already, but I fear this race is not representative of what they will run the rest of the season.
*where IS Laird?! Nothing since the Olympic Trials last year, he deleted all his social media, then came back on Instagram with the ominous post "Just know my story gets better cause I know the author. Keep reading it's a comeback story"....
Injury? Doping, God forbid?
The Negative Nancy, Doubting Thomas lovechild has arrived.
I dont believe that.sorry.19.49 is impossible for a teenager without the aid of super shoes,super fast track and drugs.I dont care how "freakishly talented "he is.Teenagers cant run that fast.
The Negative Nancy, Doubting Thomas lovechild has arrived.
Why the sarcasm, why not intelligent debate?
I'm not doubting he ran that time. I'm not doubting the clock stopped at 19.49. But I believe there is more to it than he is simply amazing, when you look at how the 3rd and 4th placers performed in particular. Be it absolutely perfect conditions or perfect wind in the perfect direction for the whole 200m, whatever, but it doesn't quite add up.
We shall soon see if they can all replicate their times from this race.
The Negative Nancy, Doubting Thomas lovechild has arrived.
Why the sarcasm, why not intelligent debate?
I'm not doubting he ran that time. I'm not doubting the clock stopped at 19.49. But I believe there is more to it than he is simply amazing, when you look at how the 3rd and 4th placers performed in particular. Be it absolutely perfect conditions or perfect wind in the perfect direction for the whole 200m, whatever, but it doesn't quite add up.
We shall soon see if they can all replicate their times from this race.
Because you offered nothing intellectual with your initial post. Just doubt and unwarranted suspicion as usual, especially as it relates to American athletes/performances/times run on US soil. And the fact that you didn't post this on T&FN, tells me everything I need to know. Disingenuous epitomized.
I dare you to make a post giving each athlete of the benefit of the doubt and substantiate how each could have legitimately run their times, if you even have it in you.
but I do know that when someone goes from a 20.3 PB from a few weeks ago (after starting the year at 21.0) & when a 30 yr old runs their fastest for 6 years, little alarm bells go off in my head.
I agree. The over enthusiasm for this result is going to leave a lot of people disappointed when he's unable to duplicate the result. If he never runs under 19.5 again, it wouldn't surprise me.
While I seriously doubt we will ever see any of Bolts records broken I have no doubts this kid has sub 19.40 potential. The new American record just a matter of time.
Simone Biles, 16 - World Champion, 2013. Gymnastics all-around.
Katie Ledecky, 16 - Won 4 world championships, set 2 world records, 2013.
Missy Franklin, 17 - Won 4 Olympic gold medals, and a bronze, 2012 Olympics. Set 2 world records.
Michael Phelps 15/16 - Sets first world record at age 15. Wins first world championship at age 16, breaking the world record a second time. 2001.
Female gymnasts and swimmers is not a good comparison. Teen girls are better physically suited for success in those sports than adult women.
This isn't really the case in swimming. While teens girls can have great success in swimming the majority of medals are still won by adults. Average age of female individual medalists in Tokyo was 23 with only 7 of 42 medals won by teenagers 6 of who were barely teenagers at 19 years old.
Female gymnasts and swimmers is not a good comparison. Teen girls are better physically suited for success in those sports than adult women.
This isn't really the case in swimming. While teens girls can have great success in swimming the majority of medals are still won by adults. Average age of female individual medalists in Tokyo was 23 with only 7 of 42 medals won by teenagers 6 of who were barely teenagers at 19 years old.
Of course not disputing that, but what are the stats on the US women’s world’s team?
There is a new crop, except for Ledecky and King... Jacoby, Smith, Grimes, Douglass, etc. What a team, they should kick some A in Budapest
Because you offered nothing intellectual with your initial post. Just doubt and unwarranted suspicion as usual, especially as it relates to American athletes/performances/times run on US soil. And the fact that you didn't post this on T&FN, tells me everything I need to know. Disingenuous epitomized.
I dare you to make a post giving each athlete of the benefit of the doubt and substantiate how each could have legitimately run their times, if you even have it in you.
I have posted it on TFN.
"disingenuous epitomized" from the man hiding behind a different username on here than on TFN LOL. Too weak to man up and reveal themselves, I guess you prefer the anonymity of Letsrun, allowing you to write posts you're too scared to write on TFN?
Judging by the venom in your post, I have a pretty good idea of who this is. Thankfully we have other, more informed and sensible posters on here, in agreement with me.
I dont believe that.sorry.19.49 is impossible for a teenager without the aid of super shoes,super fast track and drugs.I dont care how "freakishly talented "he is.Teenagers cant run that fast.
+1 exactly
If this were an African, Russian, Kenyan, Ethiopian, South African, Moroccan, Chinese etc running near the world record as a teenager, with next to no drug testing, Americans on here would be howling "doper" but not when it's one of there own, silence.
American sprinting has no culture of doping (Carl Lewis, MJ, Dennis Mitchell, Marion Jones, Tyson Gay, Justin Gatlin, Time Montgomery, Christian Coleman) Ha! American teenagers don't do drugs!
Lots of great questions raised in this thread, eg Knighton one-off? Timing error? Kerley 200m? Lyles’ ceiling? Splits? eg eg eg
That 19.49 hasn’t yet had a confirmation performance, while Lyles has advanced to 19.31 AR.
They meet in Lausanne soon, over 200m, with both Norman and Fahnbulleh in the race. Pretty late in the season and big lights, I think Lyles takes this one...too much, too soon for Knighton. Lyles has the current MR at 19.50, I think.
Also I think Fahnbulleh got lane 4, I don’t think that’s great for him. Not sure but I think Knighton has the outside lane, which sucks in a way—might blast out and then tighten up.