Raleigh Relays: Tuohy and Starliper race in 1500m

Tuohy's won/loss record over 4 years of high school was 364-5, so her strategy of get out front early and hang on worked pretty well.

In the 15:37 indoor 5k, she showed remarkable pacing banging out lap after lap of 75s alone with no rabbit lapping the entire field until she dropped off the last 800 to settle for 15:37 vs goal of 15:30.

Which races were you referring to, where she consistently paced badly?

"Consistently" is an overstatement. In most of her races there was no real competition to race against.

First on her record, I can't speak to 364 wins, but the 5 losses seem to have been in a 600 as a sophomore, a 1500 (to Jessica Lawson) and a 3000 (to Kate Murphy) as a freshman, and the Millrose 1500/mile as a sophomore. The Millrose race clearly seems to have been an aberration.

I think after getting outkicked by (senior) Sammy Watson to lose a 1500 as an 8th grader, and then by (senior) Jessica Lawson to lose a 1500 as a 9th grader she decided she was going to take control and set fast paces. But only my guess. But she did run away from Lawson in Outdoors as a 9th grader, and then we all saw what she did in XC in the Fall.

The worst pacing I saw was in her Jr year DMR when she was trailing, and split something like 63/70/74/74 to win but she was on fumes at the finish. I think she said after the finish "You would think I would know how to run this by now". Other races which may appear to have been poorly paced were her 9:05 3000 and 9:47.88 3200 as a sophomore - but I actually think her pacing was right for the time they thought she could run - but she just didn't have it that day to run 9:00 and sub 9:40 (although I bet her training indicates showed she could).

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Hays ran three years of XC for Columbia before Covid - there's no path to her having another year.

She almost certainly has two years of outdoor (counting this one) because of the Ivy League cancelling last year when everyone else was racing.

I’ve been looking to see if anyone has mentioned him. He also ran a 3:41 for 1500m the day before the 10k!!! WTH? That’s amazing.

https://results.flashresults.com/2022_03-24_RaleighRelays/index.htm

She positively split every race, or almost every race, in her final two years of high school. She's a totally different, better runner now. And she was phenomenal then!

I think she raced like that in high school because she was so much more talented than her competitors from the second half of her freshman year onward. And also because she was just a high school kid who just really liked going out fast. She tended to running on her own without any pacing help, and even where they had a game plan, such as the 3200 at the Loukes games in 2017, where her training was probably indicating 9:40 or below, it was not easy to execute when running completely on her own.

Now she gets to go back to when she was racing in 7th-9th grades. Then she was involved in a number of highly contested races, especially at the state championships and at New Balance. And if we go back to those races, she always had a strong kick. Her competitors such as Lawson talked about it. We saw it again at the 2019 NXN race; she could dig deep. Now that she is older, wiser and back at full racing strength we are really seeing it, but it was always there.

She also beat Kate grace in the trails who went on to win a few diamond leauges. I think after the summer grace had Wed be hard pressed to to not call grace a world class. So she lost to my gold medal at the Olympics , Rodgers bronze medals at the Olympics , Wilson whose been world class for ever at this point and just got a gold medal , and then behind here is Kate grace , i think logic dictates Meyer is not only world class but probably contending to make a world championship / final or Olympic final if she makes a team.

now that you said that, you are true and i remember those races and interviews, its just that i was brainwashed by the people here in lestrun that tuohy has no kick speed yet i clearly know how sammy watson and tuohy's older competitors when she was 7-9th grade was talking about her kick, young tuohy's kick shocked them all and they kept saying its an honor to be racing with her, but as she gets older and faster she was just faster than everybody else and we never saw that kick again until that nxn 2019 race

this just makes it more exciting and so good for katelyn's progress, last year she didnt have a full build up and was less fitter, now shes fit, leaner, stronger, doing harder workouts, hence shes better, stronger, faster and hanging up with the ncaa champs' level at comps

I guess, but 4:12 isn’t exactly a pro time.

are you dissing michaela meyer ? or did you not understand the phrase you just replied to?

this thread nor the phrase you replied to isnt saying tuohy should go pro after running 4:12, its got nothing about tuohy runnign a pro time, the phrase is simply talking about tuohy beating pros and getting a good start in her outdoor szn, and continuing to improve every single race..

the race was a sit and kick, tuohy simpy outkicked everyone on the last lap

meyer is the facility's record holder, the acc 1500m and 800m champ, ncaa 800m champ and segrave is last year's winner ... and tuohy out-kicked them both

gotta give credit when credit is due

Which competitors were world class?

None. 4:12 is a nice NCAA time but 60 Americans ran faster last year. This isn't high school anymore.

and so?? this is college running, who cares about how many americans or worldwide runners ran that time.. are they in the ncaa?? are they student athletes??? we only care about d1 athletes here, it literally says d1 college running discussion

its a season opener, 4:12 is good ncaa time, and only few runners run 4:12 and below in last years outdoor szn

so take a chill pill, and go to other threads about worldwide 1500m threads if you wanna talk about the times of non-college runners

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nobody cares, are they in the ncaa?

also, amazing how katelyn can run 4:12 without using spikes... i believe she was using her adizero shoes made for 5000m

who compares a time from raleigh relays to a freaking world 1500m list

laughing so hard, yall really try hard to erase the fact that katelyn tuohy just beat and out-kicked pro runners and multi acc champ and ncaa champ in a season opener

She was wearing the adidas version of the Nike super spike. All the NC State women were wearing them. They were the same spike she wore in the indoor 3K and 5k.