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It's over wrote:
runguy wrote:
Seth has multiple goals (marathon, mountain running, etc) and says as much so I don't understand why people think he should "train like a pro".
He's trying to compete with pros. He pretends he's a pro. His believers think he's a pro. He trains like an ADD-addled toddler who doesn't like hard work.
It's one thing to criticize his training philosophy but you don't have to hurl insults at the guy.
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In one of his videos recently - it has "Elite" in the title - he says his training is at Elite level. It's nonsense claims like this that he believes and his followers believe, but it's not true.
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zxcvvxcz wrote:
idiot spotter wrote:
Are you kidding me? You want people to research posters on SJD comment section and cross reference their Strava to prove that they are not fast?
I'm sorry it is so intimidating to open a comment section and click on a random username. I didn't mean to scare you with difficult computer operations.
I think you misunderstood my post. It is not difficult. It is totally pathetic. You asked LRC poster to go research Posters of a youtube vlogger. I guess the purpose would be to show that his posters don't run fast. So you can come on this message board to make fun of them.
Is that it?
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I find it funny that he says you can’t control the competition that shows up for races. While that is technically true, it takes barely any research to figure out how competitive the race will likely be. He’s using the lack of competition for one of the excuses for why he didn’t run fast compared to his PR.
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idiot spotter wrote:
I think you misunderstood my post. It is not difficult. It is totally pathetic. You asked LRC poster to go research Posters of a youtube vlogger. I guess the purpose would be to show that his posters don't run fast. So you can come on this message board to make fun of them.
Is that it?
It's not to make fun of them for being slow, it's to drive home that a slow shuffler is in no position to evaluate the training cycle of a very fast runner. Their entire source of running knowledge is SJD, and they use that "knowledge" to reassure SJD he is doing great.
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Givetallugot wrote:
I find it funny that he says you can’t control the competition that shows up for races. While that is technically true, it takes barely any research to figure out how competitive the race will likely be. He’s using the lack of competition for one of the excuses for why he didn’t run fast compared to his PR.
The girl who won the Canadian Olympic trials in a weak field said the same thing. Then she went to the Olympics and finished DFL.
Don't blame the lack of a field for slowing you down; thank them for not showing up because it’s the only reason you won.
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Givetallugot wrote:
I find it funny that he says you can’t control the competition that shows up for races. While that is technically true, it takes barely any research to figure out how competitive the race will likely be. He’s using the lack of competition for one of the excuses for why he didn’t run fast compared to his PR.
His expertise is coming up with excuses. The day before the race he said he had 1:05 in mind and planned a negative split strategy to get it. Who cares who else is there. Run your own race regardless of who is there. If there are people running faster than you that is a good push to step up your game, but if there aren't faster people then you are your own game and you need to step it up anyway.
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zxcvvxcz wrote:
idiot spotter wrote:
I think you misunderstood my post. It is not difficult. It is totally pathetic. You asked LRC poster to go research Posters of a youtube vlogger. I guess the purpose would be to show that his posters don't run fast. So you can come on this message board to make fun of them.
Is that it?
It's not to make fun of them for being slow, it's to drive home that a slow shuffler is in no position to evaluate the training cycle of a very fast runner. Their entire source of running knowledge is SJD, and they use that "knowledge" to reassure SJD he is doing great.
Just to make sure I understand. You want us to go to SDM vlog and research random comment posters and compare their stravas to confirm that they are slow runners and therefore can't offer compliments to SDM and his training because they are in no position to do so? They can only do so if they are fast?
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idiot spotter wrote:
Just to make sure I understand. You want us to go to SDM vlog and research random comment posters and compare their stravas to confirm that they are slow runners and therefore can't offer compliments to SDM and his training because they are in no position to do so? They can only do so if they are fast?
I'm happy to continue to correct your misunderstandings, no worries.
I don't care if you do or not. I don't "want you" to go to Seth's strava.
You keep making it sound like I'm proposing some complicated internet research project. I was literally like, hey, if you click on one of Seth's more sycophantic strava commenters, I bet that person is really slow.
Also, they're welcome to comment and tell him his training is great. You're all allowed to do, or not do, whatever you want. As for me, I'll keep insisting that Seth's paying followers have very little clue about running, and are not in a position to intelligently (or rationally) evaluate his training practices. Am I allowed to do that???
Oh that's right, I am!
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No. Neither of you get it. Very fast runners can compliment but not criticize. Slow runners are the other way around. Average speed runners should just be neutral in their comments but can make fun of either. That’s the rules.
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Spotted idiot wrote:
No. Neither of you get it. Very fast runners can compliment but not criticize. Slow runners are the other way around. Average speed runners should just be neutral in their comments but can make fun of either. That’s the rules.
In that case, I'm playing my position perfectly!
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S. Canaday wrote:
seth is losing it wrote:
I WOULD agree with you but it's soooo far off his PR. over 3 minutes. For him to qualify he needs to have the race of his life... and to be in the shape of his life.. and he didn't show that today.
First off (As someone who has run within 1-min of Seth at Pikes Peak Marathon...he actually has run 1-min faster than I've ever run) I will say that he is a very, very good high altitude climber. His Ascent split at Pikes during the marathon (on a fairly warm day) is very, very good and would win the Ascent flat out most years (anything sub 2:12 at Pikes is very good climbing and puts you in contention for the win).
I'd imagine being a "high altitude guy" (I think he spent a lot of time in Buena Vista when he was growing up at 7k-8k and often loves training in Leadville) certainly helps with Pikes and any Colorado 14er FKTs etc. He may have a pretty high Vo2max (he's quite light as well...maybe 5'6", 115lb?...I'm just guessing there?) and obviously some natural talent and the time/resources to basically train full time it appears.
I also think he has the potential to run an OTQ (sub 2:17)...especially with the carbon fiber shoes and super foams these days.
As someone who has failed to get my 3rd OTQ in '16 and '20 (although I've run sub 2:20 five times in my career as well as bests of 1:04/2:16 in non-carbon shoes), I can also speak to how difficult it can be to try "Any Surface Any Distance" and jump back and forth from mountain running to flat road marathons.
Now the thing Seth has going for him is that he actually doesn't appear to really do any ultramarathons. I've jumped around with 100-milers (disasters) and A LOT of 100km and 50-mile races while mixing in road marathons. That is certainly a recipe for some of my slower marathons (including a 2:23 at Rotterdam), but also when I got 16th at Boston (2:19:12) on a windy day and a couple 2:19-2:20 efforts at Houston more recently.
I've raced Seth head to head at the Speedgoat 50km once and he started off strong, but faded hard in the final 12 miles or so. I think his "sweet spot" might actually be 1-3 hour high altitude mountain races. That actually goes more in line with a road marathon effort/time duration (2 hours etc) the physiological demands. Obviously he is better at climbing and uphills compared to downhills (from what we've seen so far), but his talent level and (probably high Vo2max) make him able to run at least a 1:05 half on the flats...which almost lines up with a sub 2:18:00.
It appears he has a treadmill now so no excuse for not being able to do any "heat training" here in the winter in Colorado. I was actually surprised to see that affiliate link with NordicTrack because I tried to get them to sponsor me and I only got crickets..but maybe I don't have the contacts that he has.... Anyway Treadmills can be great for simulating hot and humid conditions and it only takes a few weeks to get some good adaptations. Coming from high altitude down to sea level also makes handling humid and hot temps easier I think (especially as a lighter/shorter guy with less surface area).
That being said I agree with most posters on here that he probably needs to work on his speed and relative Running Economy just faster than goal Marathon Race pace more. Things like 8 x 1km at 10km pace or faster as well as 1-mile, 2-mile Tempo Repeats at half marathon pace or faster. Slogging around in Leadville at ultramarathon trail running paces is a horrible idea right now (when you're already really good at high altitude) if one's goal is an OTQ marathon. It's something I'd do training for 50-mile to 100km ultramarathon trail races though!
I don't follow his training though, (and I've often failed at the mountain to roads transition), but I do know what it takes to run under 2:18:00. At our age (I believe he is a year older than me or so?), speed is certainly not working in our favor.
Finally, I think we probably have a lot of overlap in YouTube followers, and I'd say the vast majority of people will not respond well to training like Seth (or me for that matter) does. So we can be horrible examples for the masses. People try to find things that are "relatable" or get general training advice that will take them from a 4 hour to a low 3 hour marathon (for example). One has to be very careful with realizing that difference and providing relevant advice as a "coach/influencer." IMO there is a responsibility with the training content that you preach in this space. With a larger subscriber count comes a larger responsibility IMO. I realize (as someone with no kids and no "full time job") that most people don't have the luxury of time, gear, and resources to train that people like Seth and I have. Recognizing that difference in lifestyle (and balance) shapes training plans and philosophy when you're giving advice and talking about distance running training theory as a coach online.
Anyway, just my 2 cents as someone who has been in the YouTube/running game for over 14 years, the MUT Running game for 10 years, and qualified for 2 OTQs.
As usual, a very well informed post. When are you going to get your own pro training group to coach?
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I appreciate Seth demoor. Before him I had no idea how to make coffee or open a mailbox. But after watching his videos he has taught me how to do both and inspired me to do both every single day!!! I would not have the ability or desire to do either activity without Seth encouraging me every single day.
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Don’t forget it is also ok to complete tasks on a filthy dining table because DEEE GEEE RRRRRR
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Congratulations Seth and True Love! It’s a girl!
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We are up to 10 pages of Lets Run posters that claim they have no interest in SJD, yet continue to post ever minute detail about the guy's life and training.
I can spot the greater fool.... And it is not the guy making a living with his little youtube channel.
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rnr_ wrote:
S. Canaday wrote:
First off (As someone who has run within 1-min of Seth at Pikes Peak Marathon...he actually has run 1-min faster than I've ever run) I will say that he is a very, very good high altitude climber. His Ascent split at Pikes during the marathon (on a fairly warm day) is very, very good and would win the Ascent flat out most years (anything sub 2:12 at Pikes is very good climbing and puts you in contention for the win).
I'd imagine being a "high altitude guy" (I think he spent a lot of time in Buena Vista when he was growing up at 7k-8k and often loves training in Leadville) certainly helps with Pikes and any Colorado 14er FKTs etc. He may have a pretty high Vo2max (he's quite light as well...maybe 5'6", 115lb?...I'm just guessing there?) and obviously some natural talent and the time/resources to basically train full time it appears.
I also think he has the potential to run an OTQ (sub 2:17)...especially with the carbon fiber shoes and super foams these days.
As someone who has failed to get my 3rd OTQ in '16 and '20 (although I've run sub 2:20 five times in my career as well as bests of 1:04/2:16 in non-carbon shoes), I can also speak to how difficult it can be to try "Any Surface Any Distance" and jump back and forth from mountain running to flat road marathons.
Now the thing Seth has going for him is that he actually doesn't appear to really do any ultramarathons. I've jumped around with 100-milers (disasters) and A LOT of 100km and 50-mile races while mixing in road marathons. That is certainly a recipe for some of my slower marathons (including a 2:23 at Rotterdam), but also when I got 16th at Boston (2:19:12) on a windy day and a couple 2:19-2:20 efforts at Houston more recently.
I've raced Seth head to head at the Speedgoat 50km once and he started off strong, but faded hard in the final 12 miles or so. I think his "sweet spot" might actually be 1-3 hour high altitude mountain races. That actually goes more in line with a road marathon effort/time duration (2 hours etc) the physiological demands. Obviously he is better at climbing and uphills compared to downhills (from what we've seen so far), but his talent level and (probably high Vo2max) make him able to run at least a 1:05 half on the flats...which almost lines up with a sub 2:18:00.
It appears he has a treadmill now so no excuse for not being able to do any "heat training" here in the winter in Colorado. I was actually surprised to see that affiliate link with NordicTrack because I tried to get them to sponsor me and I only got crickets..but maybe I don't have the contacts that he has.... Anyway Treadmills can be great for simulating hot and humid conditions and it only takes a few weeks to get some good adaptations. Coming from high altitude down to sea level also makes handling humid and hot temps easier I think (especially as a lighter/shorter guy with less surface area).
That being said I agree with most posters on here that he probably needs to work on his speed and relative Running Economy just faster than goal Marathon Race pace more. Things like 8 x 1km at 10km pace or faster as well as 1-mile, 2-mile Tempo Repeats at half marathon pace or faster. Slogging around in Leadville at ultramarathon trail running paces is a horrible idea right now (when you're already really good at high altitude) if one's goal is an OTQ marathon. It's something I'd do training for 50-mile to 100km ultramarathon trail races though!
I don't follow his training though, (and I've often failed at the mountain to roads transition), but I do know what it takes to run under 2:18:00. At our age (I believe he is a year older than me or so?), speed is certainly not working in our favor.
Finally, I think we probably have a lot of overlap in YouTube followers, and I'd say the vast majority of people will not respond well to training like Seth (or me for that matter) does. So we can be horrible examples for the masses. People try to find things that are "relatable" or get general training advice that will take them from a 4 hour to a low 3 hour marathon (for example). One has to be very careful with realizing that difference and providing relevant advice as a "coach/influencer." IMO there is a responsibility with the training content that you preach in this space. With a larger subscriber count comes a larger responsibility IMO. I realize (as someone with no kids and no "full time job") that most people don't have the luxury of time, gear, and resources to train that people like Seth and I have. Recognizing that difference in lifestyle (and balance) shapes training plans and philosophy when you're giving advice and talking about distance running training theory as a coach online.
Anyway, just my 2 cents as someone who has been in the YouTube/running game for over 14 years, the MUT Running game for 10 years, and qualified for 2 OTQs.
As usual, a very well informed post. When are you going to get your own pro training group to coach?
I'm one of those slow runners that watch Sage, Seth and others on YT. I don't watch every video that comes out, and my purpose is for motivation. I enjoy watching others win, place or even just finish. I enjoy watch Sage run on a treadmill at 35% incline. When I watch a good video on running, even though I'm old and slow, I want to go out and do a workout. I don't try to apply their training to me.
As far as Seth's 68, I happy for him. If he ran 78, I'd be happy for him. When he was coming in to the last mile and all those other runners/walkers were going the other way (just starting their race), I told my wife - "That's me over there" and I'm happy for all those runners/walkers.
I always wonder why there are so many trolls and haters on forums. Is their life so bad that trolling/hating makes it better? Sad for them.
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Can I enjoy running related content if produced by a slow runner or is it dangerous to watch?
The whole following and hate for SJD here comes down to one central toxic principle of LRC: PRs are the gatekeeper for having a running opinion here. You are upset SJD has a running opinion and platform to share it because he doesn't meet your definition of fast.
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Turns out that PRs are not the prerequisite for having an opinion and you can't cancel everything you disagree with snowflakes.
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