de grasse high wrote:
Her surname is her mother's; she didn't take her father's name.
Anyway, we will forget her soon. Remember when Chloe Kim was a thing in 2018? Now she's back but without much fanfare.
Which may be one of the reasons that Eileen Gu decided to compete for China. Gu winning a gold medal will make her a much bigger deal in China than she would have been if she had won a gold medal for the US.
Wise Old Man wrote:
I can’t prove to you that I know her and her circumstances without betraying her privacy.
Initially, you merely said she ran for an XC team that competed against your kid’s school. I would not call that “knowing her.” Now I strongly suspect you’re trying to misrepresent your nonexistent relationship with her in an attempt to gain leverage in this ridiculous argument.
Humans—they never stop with this crap.
DanM wrote:
The entire concept of athletes representing a country needs to be reexamined.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Quote of the day, month, & year. Kenyan Americans, American Swedes, Ethiopian Italians, Moroccan Spaniards, Kenyan Quataris, Somalian Canadians, it goes on and on and on. Let’s just have the best athletes compete against the best athletes in global championships already. So what if there is 12 Kenyans in a distance final? It’s already almost like that already, except they’re all wearing different uniforms.
Barrabas wrote:
DanM wrote:
The entire concept of athletes representing a country needs to be reexamined.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Quote of the day, month, & year. Kenyan Americans, American Swedes, Ethiopian Italians, Moroccan Spaniards, Kenyan Quataris, Somalian Canadians, it goes on and on and on. Let’s just have the best athletes compete against the best athletes in global championships already. So what if there is 12 Kenyans in a distance final? It’s already almost like that already, except they’re all wearing different uniforms.
The Olympics are not about sports, they are about entertainment and about making money. For most viewers, 12 Kenyans in a distance final is not entertaining and so they won't watch. And if they won't watch, then the IOC and NBC won't make money. So your idea will never happen.
flyingfrog wrote:
Makes sense she grew up in china, trains in china, and lives in china
LRC Note. This post is factually incorrect. She was born and raised in the US, still lives there and still trains there.
she trains abroad ... not in US ..
That's a good point wrote:
de grasse high wrote:
Her surname is her mother's; she didn't take her father's name.
Anyway, we will forget her soon. Remember when Chloe Kim was a thing in 2018? Now she's back but without much fanfare.
Which may be one of the reasons that Eileen Gu decided to compete for China. Gu winning a gold medal will make her a much bigger deal in China than she would have been if she had won a gold medal for the US.
Yes, she is a big deal in China right now but all stars fade.
Anyway, she the decision was economic and encouraged by her mother. She is getting way more money and support in China than she would here. Nothing more, nothing less. All the inspiring girls in China stuff is bs.
Good grief. Pages and pages of posts by people who don't understand what they're talking about with respect to the citizenship issue. First of all, China has no say whatsoever about how the United States views Gu's status as an American citizen. They can make her sign in blood on a sacred scroll that she is renouncing her American citizenship and the United States State Department will not bat an eye. They will mutter something about the statement being made under duress and then remind her to pay all US taxes due on her worldwide income. For this latter reason, getting rid of American citizenship is a very difficult and expensive process. Secondly, her exact status as an American national is her and her parents' private business and there's nothing which requires them to divulge it publicly. Nevertheless, I've read a rumor (Reuters) that she gave up American citizenship when she was 15. In that case, it was not her but her parent who decided, and she would not be eligible to compete on the American team anyway. But sure, go ahead and blame a kid for still wanting to compete in the Olympics. If that's not true and she decided to compete for China anyway, instead of the US, she is fully within her rights under Chinese law to compete as a Chinese national. Why shouldn't she? As far as they're concerned, she is a Chinese national and their law has considerable flexibility in that regard. If you don't like the idea of international marriage, or dual national citizenship, then simply get Congress to outlaw those practices. But as of right now, they are the law of the land and culturally accepted it. So get over it. Why does she owe the US? Did the government pay for her training or something?
China law summary.
https://www.mfa.gov.cn/ce/ceus//eng/ywzn/lsyw/vpna/faq/t710012.htm
I don't really care who represents what country. I have personally known people who'd represented countries they've never even been to. But Eileen's press conference response that she is just "living her own best life" seemed tone deaf at the very least and made her seem callow and self-absorbed. Well, she is a teenager in an individual sport, so perhaps that's no surprise.
lalalalalalaaaaaa wrote:
That's a good point wrote:
Which may be one of the reasons that Eileen Gu decided to compete for China. Gu winning a gold medal will make her a much bigger deal in China than she would have been if she had won a gold medal for the US.
Yes, she is a big deal in China right now but all stars fade.
Anyway, she the decision was economic and encouraged by her mother. She is getting way more money and support in China than she would here. Nothing more, nothing less. All the inspiring girls in China stuff is bs.
Big surprise., two more incels who claim they know what the lowdown is. Gu signed a million dollar modeling contract years ago and athletic participation had no bearing on it. She does not need to be a celebrity in China. She does not need to compete in her sport ever again and will do just fine. Like Chloe Kim, she is a home owner at 18.
It's kind of pathetic how every guy on this message board thinks all female athletes are solely driven by a desire to get as much attention as possible. Its a loser syndrome if there ever was one. Now go kick rocks.
Kebert Xela wrote:
lalalalalalaaaaaa wrote:
Yes, she is a big deal in China right now but all stars fade.
Anyway, she the decision was economic and encouraged by her mother. She is getting way more money and support in China than she would here. Nothing more, nothing less. All the inspiring girls in China stuff is bs.
Gu signed a million dollar modeling contract years ago and athletic participation had no bearing on it. She does not need to be a celebrity in China.
It's kind of pathetic how every guy on this message board thinks all female athletes are solely driven by a desire to get as much attention as possible.
It's kind of pathetic that you have no idea what you're talking about. Gu herself has said that she wants to get a lot of attention during the Winter Olympics in order to inspires lots of people in China, especially young women, to participate in sports. Next time learn what you're talking about before you make yourself look stupid.
moultonk wrote:
Good grief. Pages and pages of posts by people who don't understand what they're talking about with respect to the citizenship issue. First of all, China has no say whatsoever about how the United States views Gu's status as an American citizen. They can make her sign in blood on a sacred scroll that she is renouncing her American citizenship and the United States State Department will not bat an eye. They will mutter something about the statement being made under duress and then remind her to pay all US taxes due on her worldwide income. For this latter reason, getting rid of American citizenship is a very difficult and expensive process.
What a lot of nonsense you wrote. Renouncing your US citizenship is a legal, formal process. It's not some half ass maybe she did, maybe she didn't. There's no "muttering." There's no she renounced but it was "made under duress" so it's not really renounced. There no signing in "blood on a sacred scroll." There's no "the United States State Department will not bat an eye."
You do get credit for being creative. Totally wrong, but at least creative.
Every thing about this girl/person seems contrived/ fake. Looks like fake teeth, plastic surgery. A resume that makes zero sense for a child. I smell BS on every level. Maybe it's a dude? maybe it's a robot. There is so much dishonesty here.
That's a good point wrote:
moultonk wrote:
Good grief. Pages and pages of posts by people who don't understand what they're talking about with respect to the citizenship issue. First of all, China has no say whatsoever about how the United States views Gu's status as an American citizen. They can make her sign in blood on a sacred scroll that she is renouncing her American citizenship and the United States State Department will not bat an eye. They will mutter something about the statement being made under duress and then remind her to pay all US taxes due on her worldwide income. For this latter reason, getting rid of American citizenship is a very difficult and expensive process.
What a lot of nonsense you wrote. Renouncing your US citizenship is a legal, formal process. It's not some half ass maybe she did, maybe she didn't. There's no "muttering." There's no she renounced but it was "made under duress" so it's not really renounced. There no signing in "blood on a sacred scroll." There's no "the United States State Department will not bat an eye."
You do get credit for being creative. Totally wrong, but at least creative.
Learn how to read. The poster was saying that the US doesn't care if she or China SAID she renounced her citizenship. If she didn't do the paperwork, it doesn't matter to the US.
This thread is so full of creepy old men who literally hate a successful young girl for making decisions for her own benefit. No wonder female runners avoid LRC like the plague.
this is exactly it wrote:
This thread is so full of creepy old men who literally hate a successful young girl for making decisions for her own benefit.
Why are you, and others, assuming older men are the ones with the issue? I'm nearly a boomer and couldn't care less which country Gu competes for and I'm assuming many other older guys are thinking the same way.
This county’s has done nothing for me, I would sellout .
professional male jogger wrote:
There is a clear racist view here.
The number of times I have seen her Father referred to as American.
I can't find him anywhere.
Is his surname Gu?
The assumption is he is a white American.
Could he be - Like Eileen Gu - a Chinese guy born in America with citizenship. Because, you know, he was born here.
The scoop here is that she's a half Chinese, half American (whatever the F that is) and she just dropped her American citizenship to compete for China. She swapped in June 2019. No one cared then, because no one cared about snowboarding. Its not Disney on ice FFS. And there is at least 4 others like her in this games.
Meanwhile she's a super model in China.
Its all about the money. She's not an idiot. She made the best decision for her self.
I don't see any criticisms of Mondo DuPlantis
There are a lot of holier than thou people on this thread
There has been criticisms of Mondo, some of it coming from me. However, the criticism of Mondo has primarily been along the lines of what people think is right/wrong or fair. The situation with Gu for Americans is personal because, for example, she changed her name to a Chinese name. Btw, Eileen, like David, Megan, Laura or whatever is the same no matter where go. Your name is your name and can only be changed because you choose to do so. There is no such thing as a Chinese version of Eileen. She has given interviews to Western media in Mandarin using an interpreter when she speaks perfect English. And obviously renouncing her U.S. citizenship and becoming a citizen of a 'communist' country is something that no one who loves America could possibly be comfortable with.
A side note, I have I identified a likely wumao on this board, who in matter of minutes will counter ever thing I said.
this is exactly it wrote:
That's a good point wrote:
What a lot of nonsense you wrote. Renouncing your US citizenship is a legal, formal process. It's not some half ass maybe she did, maybe she didn't. There's no "muttering." There's no she renounced but it was "made under duress" so it's not really renounced. There no signing in "blood on a sacred scroll." There's no "the United States State Department will not bat an eye."
You do get credit for being creative. Totally wrong, but at least creative.
Learn how to read. The poster was saying that the US doesn't care if she or China SAID she renounced her citizenship. If she didn't do the paperwork, it doesn't matter to the US.
That's not exactly what that poster was saying. And in any case neither Gu nor China has said anything about her renouncing her US citizenship. In fact, Gu and China have done the exact opposite and have been very careful to avoid answering questions about what country/countries she is currently a citizen of.
The only people who have said anything about Gu renouncing her US citizenship are people in the US, including some reporters, and they are making an assumption.
Furthermore, Chinese law is the main issue here, not US law. China doesn't allow adults to be citizens of both China and the US, while the US does allow it. Adult Chinese citizens are stripped of their Chinese citizenship if they are also citizens of another country. But Gu has obviously not been stripped of her Chinese citizenship because if she had she wouldn't be allowed by the IOC to compete for China in these Olympics.
Did China look the other way and ignore their own law and allow Gu to keep her Chinese citizenship in order to allow her to compete for China? The fact that both Gu and China are being evasive on that question makes it likely that that is what's happening. China wouldn’t want Chinese citizens to find out that China is allowing Gu to ignore Chinese law.
Wise Old Man wrote:She’s going to have to renounce her US citizenship. Not a small thing.
She will not have to renounce her US citizenship. Although China does not recognize dual citizenship the US does.
Don Juan wrote:
This county’s has done nothing for me, I would sellout .
Well it did for her. Wealth, great training, going to Stanford. It's the American dream and she chose to thank the US by competing for China. This is 100% a business decision and nothing else.
Teller Of Truth wrote:
this is exactly it wrote:
Learn how to read. The poster was saying that the US doesn't care if she or China SAID she renounced her citizenship. If she didn't do the paperwork, it doesn't matter to the US.
That's not exactly what that poster was saying. And in any case neither Gu nor China has said anything about her renouncing her US citizenship. In fact, Gu and China have done the exact opposite and have been very careful to avoid answering questions about what country/countries she is currently a citizen of.
The only people who have said anything about Gu renouncing her US citizenship are people in the US, including some reporters, and they are making an assumption.
Furthermore, Chinese law is the main issue here, not US law. China doesn't allow adults to be citizens of both China and the US, while the US does allow it. Adult Chinese citizens are stripped of their Chinese citizenship if they are also citizens of another country. But Gu has obviously not been stripped of her Chinese citizenship because if she had she wouldn't be allowed by the IOC to compete for China in these Olympics.
Did China look the other way and ignore their own law and allow Gu to keep her Chinese citizenship in order to allow her to compete for China? The fact that both Gu and China are being evasive on that question makes it likely that that is what's happening. China wouldn’t want Chinese citizens to find out that China is allowing Gu to ignore Chinese law.
China makes exceptions all the time. There's tons of examples of this just in this games. Go look at the Chinese Olympic hockey team and see the American born no Chinese ancestry players on the team. There are 100% white people on the Chinese hockey team.