why aren't you personally vaccinated?

(1) I got the 2 dose vaccine to make life easier. My office mandates that or testing for every 3 consecutive days of in-office work. I'm 41 and healthy so do not want to get the booster. Would rather my body deal with the virus. Two healthy men in my group at work went to the hospital with heart issues right after their second vaccine dose (both are fine now). And as shown in the link below, the boosters aren't going to end because regulatory bodies, healthcare systems, and pharma companies want to keep acting like they are saving us (not to mention making lots of money). Most people I know have had covid--not a single one has gone to the hospital. The only second or third-hand accounts I have heard of death are for people who were likely to die soon anyway.

(2) My kids are young and healthy. They have likely already had covid just like most of their friends. All of them are fine. We do not know the long-term impacts of these vaccines yet and we do know that the impacts of covid on young, healthy people are negligible. Stats can be twisted any way people want, but this is a fact we know through experience for almost two years. If others want their kids to get the vaccine that's great. As for passing around the virus to people who are more vulnerable--that's already happening through the vaccinated (again, as we see in our own personal experiences of breakthrough infections), and if the vulnerable aren't protected by their boosted vaccines then the whole narrative kind of falls apart.

I'm in favor of vaccine development and taking good, reasonable steps to protect the vulnerable. But we need to move on now. Turn off the 24 hour news an live your lives.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/israel-tests-4th-covid-vaccine-dose-awaits-ministry-green-light-2021-12-27/

Thank you for your honest and thoughtful response! It's so strange that the pro-vaccine crowd wants to snicker at people like you, who have really reasonable reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated.

Just wanted to respond to a couple of your answers.

1. Hospitals being overwhelmed: I agree, I think a lot of it is hysteria. But not all of it. It's easy to find a nurse who will go on social media and post of video of them talking about how overwhelmed they are. Very busy and overwhelmed to the point of rationing care are not the same.

But some of it is not hysteria. Hospitals having to ration care/turn away people/make people wait is happening. It happens more on a local basis when there is a covid spike at a particular time. Our system was designed to care for an average number of patients, so if anything causes a large increase in caseload, we don't have enough staff to care for them all.

2. I've been disgusted by the masks/gloves litter since the pandemic started. There is an irony that the people who claim to be the biggest environmentalists are the biggest proponents of all this waste. And now I start to see these stupid paper straws while everyone's going through several masks a day. I hate the term "virtue signaling" but this faux-environmental BS is the epitome of virtue signaling. Fake environmentalism brings out the worst hypocrisy in people. People like to show off their reusable bags and organic produce while having vacation houses at the beach and mountains they like to fly to 10 times a year.

Thanks for the story. I have a sibling who refuses to get it due to his beliefs (not religious) and a father who's around 80 has been sitting tight because of previous experiences with vaccines - plus his liver functions quite poorly, so he's not willing to risk it. They both are over cautious with masking and social distancing. They continue this stance even though I had a cousin who was 5 months pregnant when she died of Covid earlier this year. I don't blame her for opting to not get it with the unknowns, but it's just sad all around with the damned if you do and damned if you don't. I also have a far right MD psychiatrist aunt who sent me daily vaccine conspiracy theories and who got Covid and had to be hospitalized for 3 weeks. The people living with her were vaccinated, got Covid at the same time and barely noticed anything sickness-wise. My aunt's opinion actually shifted from "hello no you shouldn't get the vax" to "I can't really say - it's your decision" in giving advice. I don't practice "Jenny McCarthyism" per se (I also have a few far left friends who send antivax conspiracies as well), but I probably wouldn't have gotten the vaccine so quickly if it weren't required for travel, work, etc - plus spouse is in health care field. Work is now requiring the booster, so I'll be getting that soon. I have a really good friend MD who's surprised I have a doctor because I was so anti medical establishment for a few years. To the OP - thanks for the thread. Despite the unnecessary back and forth between a couple of posters going off topic, it's been good to read the serious stories. Sois Sage.

osjthodj wrote:

100% honest answer and backstory here for why I remain unvaccinated.

There you go.

Whether those people on social media are telling the truth or not, I still can’t trust them. Anyone can go make a TikTok/Twitter account and make a video saying they are a nurse and the hospitals are overwhelmed. Many people are selfish and know something like that has a relatively good chance of going viral, so they have no problem putting on an act for their own personal gain. Are there some nurses and hospitals out there that are legitimately overwhelmed? Yes, I’m sure of it, but I don’t take any social media video that I see for gospel.

And another thing on the hospitals - are they overwhelmed because they are at capacity or are they overwhelmed because they don’t have the personnel to deal with max capacity? Why make the capacity that big if they can’t handle it all? Is it because they have laid off workers? Not only would that cause the nurses that are still working to take more shifts, but they are also more demanding shifts.

A multitude of different reasons. First and foremost is the use of aborted fetal cell lines (HEK-293 or PerC.6) in the development or testing of the three Vaccines. Due to my religious beliefs, I am morally opposed to using any vaccine or therapeutic that has ties to the abortion industry-even if remote. Secondly, pathogenic priming or antibody enhanced response. This is the precise reason why they gave up on the development of the SARS vaccine some 10+ years ago. This is why you are currently seeing vaccinated folks with relatively severe cases of COVID, in some instances. Third, I have less than a 0.2% chance of dying or having serious health complications from COVID. Lastly, I had COVID previously, and I can argue that I have very robust natural immunity.

Had one friend die of the vaccine (age 39 and of reasonably good health) he had massive organ failure out of nowhere. Had two different friends develop auto immune disease also mid 30s from the jab. Only people I know who have gotten seriously from Covid I’ll were over 55 years old and I still don’t know anyone personally who has died of Covid.

I also recently had Covid and recovered and feel that natural immunity will protect me from serious illness in the future.

Additionally there is no long term data available for more long term consequences.

NBCU

US reaches new record for daily COVID cases

Wed, December 29, 2021, 7:12 AM

The total number of COVID cases in the U.S. has topped 53 million, with the omicron and delta variants spreading rapidly. Daily cases are now averaging nearly 250,000, and pediatric hospitalizations are up more than 50 percent in the last month. NBC’s Shaquille Brewster reports for TODAY.

Seems to argue against the effective part of the vaccines are "safe and effective" mantra.

More Americans vaxxed than ever.

More Covid cases than ever.

Nobody vaxxed a year ago (well perhaps a few by the end of December of 2020).

Less than 20 million cases one year ago, 53 million now.

They want us to be afraid of raging Covid -- yet also believe the vaxx works and more jabs will end this.

Time to wake up vaxx believers

This is such a tired line. "Nobody can tell me what to do..." So your libertarian logic is if you FEEL like someone is telling you to do the right thing...dont do it-- just to prove your point? Thats what I hear from every conservative. There is no law saying you have to have a vaccine, so stop saying anyone is telling you that you have to do it. There are just consequences for some jobs and activities. You know, consequences, like there are for every dumb decision you make. You have freedom to do stupid things, but you also have consequences. Thus everyone who isnt vaxxed is doing it for politics and Trump. Because they have no problem getting vaccines before trump.

100% of the players in the CFP are vaccinated! Funny, how they all did the logical thing regardless of political feelings when facing a choice of quitting.

You see...you dont have to do completely selfish/ anti-society things that put everyone else out ..or in danger...just to prove you are "free". Its 100% political.

Anyone have any tips or solutions on how to get the vaccine out of my body? I’ve consumed so much anti vax rhetoric here I’d like to undo the vaccine.

Rick Cheney wrote:

Anyone have any tips or solutions on how to get the vaccine out of my body? I’ve consumed so much anti vax rhetoric here I’d like to undo the vaccine.

You lose. While the science changes, as Dr. Faux-see likes to tell us, the "vaccine" in your body is permanent. No undoing it.

When you figure out a way to remove the "vaccine" from your body, try to do it in a way that gets all 2, 3 or 4 doses at the same time.

I like the argument where people don't trust big pharma. Well who else you going to trust? Some start-up pharma? I sure ain't getting a vaccine from a company that trades as a penny stock.

Generation-Covid wrote:

I like the argument where people don't trust big pharma. Well who else you going to trust? Some start-up pharma? I sure ain't getting a vaccine from a company that trades as a penny stock.

I am personally holding out until Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos clears up a little sticky mess she is immersed in with the courts, and then I hope she comes up with some new miracle drug. Something like that there?

rando from filly wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Don't fear Covid.

Do fear the jab.

I was never scared of covid. But I do know people my age (around 40) who got reasonably ill from it. So I'd rather not be laid up for a couple weeks or deal with a couple months of exercise intolerance. I got covid last week and it was literally nothing - I suspect partially because it was omicron and partially due to vaccine.

Why fear the jab? Nearly everyone I know is vaccinate(many boosted) and doing just fine nearly a year out.

Three jabs? I tested positive two days ago and I've had moderate to mild symptoms for the past 6 days, probably due to the two jabs I've had.I never had covid before so I don't know what it should feel like.

Fat hurts wrote:

The Coffee Farmer wrote:

I’ve been off the mainstream narrative of COVID since April 2020 so I’m good with my 99.8% chance of survival.

I won't question your number, so I'll stipulate it truly is a 99.8% chance of survival. That means 1 in 5000 covid cases results in death.

Would you take a plane that crashes 1 in 5000 flights?

Without the vaccine, you are very likely to get infected. If I were you, I'd get off the plane before it takes off.

As far back as the Pfizer trials we knew that the "vaccinated" were dying at a significantly higher rate than the "unvaccinated".

Additionally, nobody in either group received early treatment in the unlikely event that they became ill due to "teh virus"

You might wish to refine your analogy.

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“ Third, we report th e risk asso ciated with vac ci nation and infec tion in y ounger pers ons strati fied by sex. Despite more myocard itis events o ccurring in o lder p ersons, th e ris k following COVID-19 vaccination was largely restr icted to younger males aged less than 40 years, where the risks of myocarditis following vac cinati on an d infec tion we re similar. However, t he notable except ion was that in younger males r eceiv i ng a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine, the ris k of myocarditis was higher following v accination than infe ction, with an additional 101 events estimated foll owing a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine compared to 7 events following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test.”

Early on, the Moderna vaccine was held up as a gold standard for “safe and effective.” As time goes on, we have learned that for the segment of the population who are a) male and b) younger (ie <40), you are at significantly higher risk of hospitalization following your 2nd Moderna jab than getting a positive Covid test.

When you look beyond the scope of that one paper itself, you see that the rate of hospitalization for younger males due to myocarditis following vaccination is higher than rate of hospitalization for any cause following positive Covid test.

I am under 40. I am a male. I have had Covid and have protection from natural immunity that reduces my chance of getting and spreading it.

Why would I risk getting the jab when, for me, it’s greater risk than reward?

Furthermore, the critiques I’ve read (like the above from BMJ) of some studies indicating the elevated risk for young males seem to fly in the face of a specific “narrative” used in support of the vaccines safety and efficacy.

I have heard so many people and news sources discuss ad nauseam how we have so much more data and real world reports on these specific vaccines than any previously known to man. That if there were issues to be had with them, we would hear about them.

Then, when the databases that allow people to report on their adverse reactions explode with reports, we are told that it is not trustworthy or reliable.

So, in effect, “trust they are safe because if they were not you would be hearing about it from real world examples”, but also “we cannot trust the data from systems like VAERS because it’s real world data and not controlled for in a clinical setting”.

Am I the only one that sees a certain level of cognitive dissonance in that line of thinking and argumentation?

It is comparable to the logic that if someone dies with Covid, they most have died from Covid (without taking into account the effects of comorbidities may have played) and we rush to account it as such. However, if someone has a heart attack 12 hours after the shot, we simply cannot know if or that it was the shot and should not blame the vaccine for it.

I am so tired of the that kind of logic being applied to any data set on infection vs vaccine.

Don’t care enough…too busy

lol lol lol lol wrote:

As far back as the Pfizer trials we knew that the "vaccinated" were dying at a significantly higher rate than the "unvaccinated".

Yes, and personally I knew this many decades ago. Look up the history of the true pioneers Antoine Béchamp and Claude Bernard, vs the charlatan Louis Pasteur. They knew before he did, and others knew it before them.

Claude Bernard:

When we meet a fact which contradicts a prevailing theory, we must accept the fact and abandon the theory, even when the theory is supported by great names and generally accepted.

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The terrain is everything; the germ is nothing.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I won't question your number, so I'll stipulate it truly is a 99.8% chance of survival. That means 1 in 5000 covid cases results in death.

Would you take a plane that crashes 1 in 5000 flights?

Without the vaccine, you are very likely to get infected. If I were you, I'd get off the plane before it takes off.

As far back as the Pfizer trials we knew that the "vaccinated" were dying at a significantly higher rate than the "unvaccinated".

Additionally, nobody in either group received early treatment in the unlikely event that they became ill due to "teh virus"

You might wish to refine your analogy.

It is pure BS like this that goes on without any challenge that shows just how low this site has sunk into lies and misinformation.

Just do us all a favor and shut it down. I mean the site.

Can you say "CESSPOOL?"