Centro American Record Attempt - 7/24

Trollminator wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

Everyone who wants our sport to gather more mainstream attention yet get all bent out of shape over this? I mean if he breaks the AR it will provide some more headlines heading into Tokyo. No it will not suddenly make track number 1 but isn’t this what all want. People competing and going after it?

No... breaking a record like this in some randomly set up TT style race at a high school track is how you prove that the sport is really dead.

How would it prove the sport is dead?

SlowTwitchersSuck wrote:

pre maturing wrote:

Haha, really?? Brilliant??

Running one race two weeks out will accomplish that??

Thought you prepared for races in practice? Isn't that what practice/training is for??

One race can do all that??

You have obviously never coached at all.

You know nothing, beta-boi.

Tell me you're not an actual coach!

This is about milers, not 10k, not marathon.

Real athletes who can run 50 second 400s and faster.

If you're a coach, just stop. Retire. Go home to your wife.

Coaching advise:

Last big workout before peak performance should be 10 days out, very fast, and not long.

.....Like a time trial mile for an AR record.

Doosh

BTW, he is not training for one race 10 days out, he has to run 3 rounds, the final is more than 10 days out. So, your 10 days out theory is total BS and meaningless. I have been coaching long enough to know there is no one day that is more important than any other.

Thoughts on this

1) It is beyond hilarious that some people here believe this compromises his Olympic chances. So let me get this correct - you think Centro can't recover (from whatever he does) in 9 days? Do you think he's 50 years old or something? I personally like the timing of this - a really hard effort, couple of days of light recovery plus his flight, then 1 mid effort workout a couple of days after he lands and then just jogging and strides. And anyway, irrespective of what I might personally think, I'm pretty sure the Olympic Champion and multiple world medalist in this event knows how to get himself to the start line in his best shape.

2) I know it's billed as the AR attempt but it wouldn't shock me if those plans were very fluid - even down to "in-race". There is a reason 3.46 or faster has ever been run 8 times in history. Guys who didn't run 3.46.XX? Lagat, Coe, Scott, Ovett and even a juiced up Kiprop (though obviously 3.26. whatever he ran converts to that). It's just not easy and sure, Webb ran his record in a tiny meet with literally 5 guys in the race but Alan Webb was an "interesting" character especially on the mental side of things.

3) I hate that wavelight would be allowed but this ship has sailed - it's been stupidly allowed by WA for record purposes so is completely legit here. Wavelight is an incredible advantage - far bigger than the footwear (especially over a mile).

I still believe if Centro breaks 3.50 basically solo (but not really because his optimally paced lights might be right there, who knows?) it would be amazing. Prediction:

No lights: 3.51.25

With lights 3.49.55

pre maturing wrote:

SlowTwitchersSuck wrote:

You know nothing, beta-boi.

Tell me you're not an actual coach!

This is about milers, not 10k, not marathon.

Real athletes who can run 50 second 400s and faster.

If you're a coach, just stop. Retire. Go home to your wife.

Coaching advise:

Last big workout before peak performance should be 10 days out, very fast, and not long.

.....Like a time trial mile for an AR record.

Doosh

BTW, he is not training for one race 10 days out, he has to run 3 rounds, the final is more than 10 days out. So, your 10 days out theory is total BS and meaningless. I have been coaching long enough to know there is no one day that is more important than any other.

Centro is a master at championship rounds

Centro has 13:00 flat strength

Running a very fast mile 10 days out is perfect prep for facing Cheruiyot's expected pacing.

This is peaking.

Go back to coaching school.

Better yet, retire.

Pacers of Josh Thompson and Amos Bartelsmeyer (sp) should be good. I would recommend 56.5/1:53.5/ 2:51 for their targets at 440/880/1320 and if they have lights technology. This should be doable for the two guys to make to 1320. The question will be if Centro summons a kick off of that or instead runs more like 3:48-3:50 not dying but not able to pick up the speed without pacers. Note that when Kerr ran his 3:31-mid he was unable to kick the last lap and ran 57.

what times the racin start?

I have a feeling that he either DNFs or cruises it in at 3:52. Really think they should have about 6 in the race.

The wind prediction for this evening is 7 to 9 mph from the north-northwest, according to the National Weather Service. Here's the track, from google maps:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4850421,-122.7670864,233m/data=!3m1!1e3

The straightaways are pretty much due east-west, so even if a breeze from the NNW is a noticeable, it won't be in the runners' faces much.

Still, 7 to 9 isn't perfectly calm, so it could eat into any attempt to set a record.

But the conditions overall do seem pretty good.

Runner10287 wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

No... breaking a record like this in some randomly set up TT style race at a high school track is how you prove that the sport is really dead.

How would it prove the sport is dead?

As an armchair QB, I'd have to somewhat agree w/ Trollminator. Not sure if the sport is dead but it's certainly not healthy today - just ask athletes like Merber, the guys running social media at Tinman Elite, or the entire cavalry of those running independent meets this past year (the "track needs to change" thesis is their entire respective schticks).

Having said that, obviously Centro is great; and anyone doubting his status as one of the US greats is woefully lying to themselves. However, in my opinion (which seems to be shared), one of the biggest drawbacks of Jerry/BTC-era Centro is the lack of real racing and, instead, engaging in these manicured time trials. Centro has had many occasions to race this year; but he & BTC seem content on controlling any and all race efforts from A to Z. When NOP/Salazar athletes did this, they were rightfully scorned on the LR MB. Even BTC runner Chris Derrick recently admitted their style of time trials do the sport no favors.

And I think what drives people here to glorify more the US racers of old (ex. Ryun) compared to guys like Centro is that they made their performances while frequently engaging in actual racing and leaving us with memories of several "legendary" races against others to enjoy decades later. In these time trials, what do we have to remember except that Centro essentially ran a private "race" against two of his club teammates?

Ummmm....Ever hear of Roger Bannister’s first sub 4 mile ever???? Private time trial record attempts are the foundation of modern miling!

Announcer: “WITH 200 METERS TO GO MATTHEW CENTROWITZ JR IS AHEAD OF THE GHOSTS OF ALAN WEBB AND STEVE SCOTT!!!

MATTHEW CENTROWITZ JR IS AHEAD OF AMERICAN RECORD PACE WITH 100 METERS TO GO!!!

MOVE OVER ALAN WEBB AND STEVE SCOTT!! MATTHEW CENTROWITZ JR IS THE NEXT AMERICAN MILER RECORD HOLDER AND THE GREATEST AMERICAN MILER EVER!!!!!”

LappedMiler wrote:

The wind prediction for this evening is...

The race is tomorrow!

ThizzlerontheRoof wrote:

Ummmm....Ever hear of Roger Bannister’s first sub 4 mile ever???? Private time trial record attempts are the foundation of modern miling!

Announcer: “WITH 200 METERS TO GO MATTHEW CENTROWITZ JR IS AHEAD OF THE GHOSTS OF ALAN WEBB AND STEVE SCOTT!!!

MATTHEW CENTROWITZ JR IS AHEAD OF AMERICAN RECORD PACE WITH 100 METERS TO GO!!!

MOVE OVER ALAN WEBB AND STEVE SCOTT!! MATTHEW CENTROWITZ JR IS THE NEXT AMERICAN MILER RECORD HOLDER AND THE GREATEST AMERICAN MILER EVER!!!!!”

Ha, touché! I stand corrected.

I still think, however, that more performances (and ideally records) from actual races would increase a US distance athletes popularity, at least on these boards.

He doesn't stand a chance-in-you-know-where. He'll be lucky to hit 3:49

What time is this race?

Any other events?

Oops, the drug test results just came back, must have been a Burrito. Nice try........

sbeefyk2 wrote:

He timed his doping to peak on 7/24. Then it'll be out of his system for the Olympic testing. He's playing the game well.

Yes because testing is notoriously lax after a national record

LappedMiler wrote:

The wind prediction for this evening is 7 to 9 mph from the north-northwest, according to the National Weather Service.

Oops...Centro's race is Saturday night, not Friday night. In 24 hours or so, closer to the race, I may post the wind predictions for Saturday night. Right now the prediction is for slightly windier conditions:

Saturday: Sunny, with a high near 93. West northwest wind 6 to 11 mph.

Saturday Night: Clear, with a low around 59. North northwest wind 5 to 13 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.

I don't know when the gustier conditions are expected to arrive - possibly after Centro's race, and then wind can be localized, so the prediction may not quite apply to Jesuit HS, anyway.

Is this going to be like the 4 person "meet" that Nike had sanctioned in 2019 for kincaid to demo the second-per-lap super shoes? They going to tow Centro around and just step out of the way on the final 200m?

https://i.imgur.com/Q431n0X.jpg

Apologies if this is (likely) in the previous ten pages, can't hurt to repeat

https://live.athletictiming.net/meets/10528