What the hell. Dr. Fauci admits to the NY Times he's purposely misled us yet again about % needed to get to herd immunity

[quote]Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

i bet you dont believe in the flu virus either.

Moron.

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I sure don't believe that the flu kills tens of thousands of American every year.

I have known many people die in my lifetime from many causes...cancer, car accidents, heart attacks, drowning, drug overdoses, suicide (alcohol and drug related), strokes, infections,

Not a soul from the flu.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Big Club wrote:

So was Mengele, jacka-s.

I won.

The jackass is he who can't see the difference between Mengele and Fauci. I assume you have no problem getting your prescriptions from a Mengele when you are sick or being operated on by a Mengele when you go to hospital.

The guy's argument is that the poster is not a doctor and Fauci is.

The poster replied that Mengele was a doctor.

Touche.

Rojo don’t even bother with Trump strawmans.

“Durp durp but Trump lies too durp durp!”

So I guess that makes it cool that Fauci is a complete fraud and yet is dictating this cluster bleep of a scamdemic.

I would argue the severe TDS is why we are where we are. No matter Trump did you babies were going to go against it. Remember the outrage and racist crying when he wanted to shut down people coming on from China at the start of this?

Perhaps there is something deeper going on here?

rojo wrote:

I do give a sh** about Trump's lies. I never voted for him in either election despite liking some of his policies as I feel like he lacks the character to be president and is a total con man.

You also administer a discussion board which prohibits starting new threads criticizing Trump's behavior on Covid or any other topic while allowing any number of threads critical of virtually anyone else on the same topic.

This policy is both inconsistent and widely exploited by politically motivated posters.

As I've said before, I think the one thread per politicized topic is good board administration policy, but it's clearly not applied in a neutral manner.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

The guy's argument is that the poster is not a doctor and Fauci is.

The poster replied that Mengele was a doctor.

Touche.

You are truly brain dead if you think that saying Mengele was a doctor refutes the point that the commenter doesn't have Fauci's expertise. But we already knew that about you.

Douche.

The guy's argument was that Fauci is correct as he is a doctor and the poster is not.

The OP totally destroys this BS argument by noting Mengele was a doctor....hence someone being a doctor is not a winning argument

Sorry you cannot follow this quite simple idea.

Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:

huh what wrote:

I also expect that post-pandemic analysis will show masks did little to slow COVID spread.

Why do you think so? Doesn't it seem like most places with people truly using masks had low transmission (Taiwan for example), whereas places where little masks were used had super high transmission (NYC in early March, Florida most of the time).

Well...

It's what the evidence points to?

The largest study done on this is the danish one published last month.

About 6000 participated.

1,8% of the people that wore masks got infected, while 2,1% in the control group got infected.

The results actually suggests masks reduce the risk of infection 15-20%, but since the effect was so marginal it wasn't statistically significant.

I saw people here (Hi Allen53) saying this proved masks doesn't work.

That is of course a complete misinterpretation of the study's findings, the evidence actually suggests other wise, it only means that for the results to have been statistically significant they would have needed more community spread at the time of the experiment or more people taking part in the study.

Needs to be said that if infected, wearing a mask will reduce the chance of you infecting others as the mask will collect quite a lot of virus on the inside of the mask.

This has been shown in laboratories.

How much it reduces the chance of others becoming infected ain't known, and regretably we can only speculate as to how big the effect is.

A proper scientific study would mean the researchers would need to let infected people, with and without masks, expose healthy people to the virus, so for obvious reasons that's a no go.

Anyways: based on current science it's actually fair to say that masks have only a small effect if any in protecting you from contracting the infection.

The low infection rate in Taiwan probably have very little to do with masks, but rather very much with controlling access to the country combined with RIGOROUS quaranteening.

Monkeys typing wrote:

rojo wrote:

I do give a sh** about Trump's lies. I never voted for him in either election despite liking some of his policies as I feel like he lacks the character to be president and is a total con man.

You also administer a discussion board which prohibits starting new threads criticizing Trump's behavior on Covid or any other topic while allowing any number of threads critical of virtually anyone else on the same topic.

This policy is both inconsistent and widely exploited by politically motivated posters.

As I've said before, I think the one thread per politicized topic is good board administration policy, but it's clearly not applied in a neutral manner.

That’s just one mod who must have unsavory info on the Brojokes to still be doing what he’s doing.

Again though. Check your TDS. It blinds you.

Well...

Personally I have to say that moderation rules on this site seem very arbitrary at the very least.

From first hand experience I can inform you that a post don't have to be factually false or contain any foul language to be deleted.

A little over a month ago I made a new thread where I asked what the people of LetsRun think of the US continuing to spy on it's allies in light of reports coming out of Denmark and Norway. (From as reputable news sources as you can get).

Thread was deleted within minutes.

No reason was given, so I can only speculate as to why it got deleted, but my impression would obviously be that an exchange of thoughts on how the US spy on their allies is outside of what the brojos want on this message board as opposed to an endless stream of pretty much unfounded conspiracy theories on covid, the election, the environment, you name it.

The Unkle wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The jackass is he who can't see the difference between Mengele and Fauci. I assume you have no problem getting your prescriptions from a Mengele when you are sick or being operated on by a Mengele when you go to hospital.

The guy's argument is that the poster is not a doctor and Fauci is.

The poster replied that Mengele was a doctor.

Touche.

It's worth pointing out that Mengele was German, while Fauci is Italian.

Runner10287 wrote:

I would argue the severe TDS is why we are where we are. No matter Trump did you babies were going to go against it. Remember the outrage and racist crying when he wanted to shut down people coming on from China at the start of this?

Perhaps there is something deeper going on here?

Remember also when people thought Trump was lying and spreading false hope that was going to get people killed by saying a vaccine would be ready this year? Now you have the exact same people lining up to take said vaccine after what he said was true, with no sense of irony or acknowledgement of their hypocrisy. Going along with what the liberal MSM is saying is tantamount to mental illness at this point.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Big Club wrote:

[quote]Steve won wrote:

you're not as smart as you think you are. you are a message board administrator. Fauci, meanwhile, is a doctor. See the difference?

So was Mengele, jacka-s.

I won.

The jackass is he who can't see the difference between Mengele and Fauci.

The argument was that we must listen to Fauci because he is a doctor. This is a BS argument and was totally destroyed by pointing out all doctors are not to be respected and listened to.

Not that Mengele and Fauci are the same.

No offense and all but are you really this thick?

The Unkle wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So was Mengele, jacka-s.

I won.

The jackass is he who can't see the difference between Mengele and Fauci.

The argument was that we must listen to Fauci because he is a doctor. This is a BS argument and was totally destroyed by pointing out all doctors are not to be respected and listened to.

Not that Mengele and Fauci are the same.

No offense and all but are you really this thick?

I'll answer the question for them... yes.

WTH. rojo says that the New York Times is fake news, but he uses it as his source of information about Dr. Fauci.

So obviously the NYT is not fake news, and it is the source of record because rojo really believes what someone told him was in the NYT (obviously rojo didn't read it himself because reading takes away from nap time and TV watching time.)

rojo wrote:

wejo wrote:

I'm changing the title of the thread from "been lying to us" to "purposely misled us". It's Christmas Day and associating Dr. Fauci with the word lie really rubs people the wrong way, including my aunt.

It doesn't change what Robert is saying but appearances are important.

Misled and lie are the same damn thing. I'm criticizing Fauci for downplaying the virus and people on the left - including half my family - are all up in arms. But go ahead and change it asyes the way stuff is presented is the key to success in modern life.

I guess it's kind of what most college recruiters due. They say something based in truth so they justify an exaggeration that makes it a lie. I never wanted to do that.

So if he did intentionally mislead the public as you suggest, what would you like to see happen? Do you want him to admit it? Resign? What would that help at this point?

BTW, the definition of a lie is an deliberate attempt to deceive. Is a deliberate intent to mislead the same thing, or is it not as bad?

vroom wrote:

rojo wrote:

Misled and lie are the same damn thing. I'm criticizing Fauci for downplaying the virus and people on the left - including half my family - are all up in arms. But go ahead and change it asyes the way stuff is presented is the key to success in modern life.

I guess it's kind of what most college recruiters due. They say something based in truth so they justify an exaggeration that makes it a lie. I never wanted to do that.

So if he did intentionally mislead the public as you suggest, what would you like to see happen? Do you want him to admit it? Resign? What would that help at this point?

BTW, the definition of a lie is an deliberate attempt to deceive. Is a deliberate intent to mislead the same thing, or is it not as bad?

Speaking of lying and deceiving, Fauci likes to hang out with liars and deceivers...

Wejo, why would you change the title of the thread to avoid using the term "lie" yet you allow the post to contain the term in almost every paragraph?

"Lie" is asserted at least four times in the post, and is the essential message Rojo intends to make.

I contend that Dr. Faucci is not lying to the public, and is not misleading them. I contend that Dr. Faucci is shifting his numbers to the higher end of the ranges he uses because the disease is indeed changing and is becoming more transmissible (for example, the variant in England that is feared to be 50% more transmissible) and because he understands that the public is becoming more receptive to accepting those numbers.

This is not a very big change in his numbers, perhaps only 10% or so, given that the data clearly points to actual rise in the percentage needed to achieve herd immunity. ANd remember, they don't know the precise number and it is a range, so some interpreting of the numbers is warranted and okay and expected.

To viciously conclude that we have been lied to is a gross overstatement.

In fact, it appears that you and Rojo, as owners of this site, are guilty of exactly what you accuse others of. You are misleading people in your statements. These are not lies. And we don't need owners of popular message boards creating distrust and inciting the public during a time of a world pandemic, esp. when our hope of beating it needs exactly the thing you are undermining.

Shame on the both of you.

Why don't you just stay neutral and not start threads like this?

I feel you have done all of us a disservice.

It is good to see rojo quoting the New York Times. THE place to get your facts, no alternative facts there.

Also, who cares what anybody says about COVID since Trump promised that there would only be 15 cases total, and those could easily be knocked out by drinking bleach and injecting Lysol. Trump would not mislead us.

Runner10287 wrote:

I would argue the severe TDS is why we are where we are. No matter Trump did you babies were going to go against it. Remember the outrage and racist crying when he wanted to shut down people coming on from China at the start of this?

Perhaps there is something deeper going on here?

Remember when, in March, he said "like a miracle, it will disappear."

Yeah!! What a genius! Why don't we support him??