This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Or, “here’s what else we might consider if you absolutely are unwilling to get vaccinated, which is, of course, your choice.”
Ozempic has been around for six years, since you went there…
So what's your plan - have doctors talk to patients more about losing weight? That would've prevented 100k+ COVID deaths? You realize "doctors talking to patients about obesity" has never had a causal effect on weight loss.
It's just moralizing and vibes from you.
Semaglutide for weight loss was only approved in 2022!
Vitamin D is a great example of something that sounds great, has tons of associative data, and then when you actually run the trial – the treatment doesn't do anything.
So basically, the recommendation should be 'don't be deficient in vitamin D' – groundbreaking.
There simply isn't enough evidence on virucidal nasal sprays or the side effects of repeated use (should I demand 10 years of data like you do for mRNA vaccines?) but there's a possibility they could be useful.
I love that you bold unwilling it's like saying "for stupid people we shouldn't tell them to do the best thing, but instead give them other suggestions that aren't as good." No, a public health official has an ethical duty to recommend the safest, most tested, and most protective course of action – i.e. vaccination. If you want other suggestions feel free to pay $60 a month for some blogger to make you feel smart.
Natural immunity is objectively poorer and, obviously carries significant extra risk, just ask Chokervic.
There is no doubt that antivaxxer propaganda killed way, way more people than any of your or fisky's proposed interventions would have saved.
Imagine that, the best thing you could have done is keep your mouth shut. The cheapest, easiest, lowest cost intervention imaginable. But you couldn't do it. Telling.
Why would a Dr. George Fareed, for example, “keep his mouth shut,” when he could and did help stave off death for patients before a vaccine was available or for patients who were unwilling to get vaccinated, for whatever reason? It would’ve been a dereliction of duty not to try to help, but, the poor soul had to defy fools like you who would try to take his license before letting him try to be a doctor and save patients. Save patients he did.
Vitamin D isn’t a “treatment.” It was just a damn good idea to start slamming at the beginning of Covid because most Americans are and were deficient. There are many studies showing vitamin D above certain, high levels, very much mitigated the course of the disease. Of course, just a spurious correlation for you, but Djokovic and long COVID is most decidedly not spurious in your enlightened world.
Also, there are multiple studies on virucidal nasal sprays to reduce viral load and mitigate disease. Again though, not “real” studies because no incentive or impetus to really do them. Tons and tons of observational data shows you’re simply wrong about natural immunity. Yes, if it were only Omicron and nothing before it, but must people had prior immunity from alpha and/or delta. For those who had already acquired immunity this way, the vaccines were unnecessary, except, perhaps in the riskiest groups, which you’ve previously said we couldn’t possibly define before you switched your position to we can define them and they should be getting boosters every four months.
You are boring and stale and selfish. That you would try to shut down a Fareed or Urso. Incredible. You would have been better to just keep your mouth shut.
Now we are into the 'mindlessly make things up' phase of being owned.
1) I have no clue who this person is. Googling suggests that it's a guy who wants to sell you a book of medical secrets that mainly claims the vaccine is deadly. Sounds like a real hero.
2) No, most Americans are not Vitamin D deficient. Interestingly, insufficiency is most prevalent in 20-29 year old people. Not exactly the amazing correlation one would hope for.
The National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) collect and release data to the public every 2 years. The latest NHANES study on the vitamin D status of Americans was based on data from 2001 to 2014, and the la...
3) Sure, find me a phase 3 trial that shows a result similar to the vaccines for safety and efficacy and I'm interested. I believe in their potential, but I recognize the data, AFAIK, are not nearly complete enough to stand alongside vaccination.
4) Thank you for acknowledging that Omicron infection does nothing for immunity.
5) You did not argue with my central thesis: spreading antivaxx propaganda killed more people than any of the alternative interventions would have saved. You would have saved lives by simply staying quiet. It's like some social science test they give to 2nd graders to predict their life outcomes: You have to remain quiet for 5 min otherwise someone will die. Can you?
Granted, I am very optimistic about GLP1Ra's but, where's the consistency here?
By the way, nobody cares that you are “very optimistic.” Not sure how you haven’t figured that out yet. You’re not a MD. You’re not a PhD. You’re nobody, which irritates the crap out of you even more than natural immunity.
Granted, I am very optimistic about GLP1Ra's but, where's the consistency here?
By the way, nobody cares that you are “very optimistic.” Not sure how you haven’t figured that out yet. You’re not a MD. You’re not a PhD. You’re nobody, which irritates the crap out of you even more than natural immunity.
I am actually an MD-PhD vaccine oncologist with an specialty in nasal complications
By the way, nobody cares that you are “very optimistic.” Not sure how you haven’t figured that out yet. You’re not a MD. You’re not a PhD. You’re nobody, which irritates the crap out of you even more than natural immunity.
I am actually an MD-PhD vaccine oncologist with an specialty in nasal complications
Yep, and I’m a ATP world ranked #10, over the age of 35. There are none like me, save for one.
By the way, nobody cares that you are “very optimistic.” Not sure how you haven’t figured that out yet. You’re not a MD. You’re not a PhD. You’re nobody, which irritates the crap out of you even more than natural immunity.
I am actually an MD-PhD vaccine oncologist with an specialty in nasal complications
