why does David Roche keep banging on about being in sub-4 at altitude shape?

The recent image is so poor quality but kind of looks like leg hair. But it looks like a different bruising pattern?

why are people still banging on about the treadmill mile. thats like the least nefarious thing this guy has probably ever done.

I see some of these accusations as inconclusive based on what I see here and on Reddit, mainly because people remain anonymous. There is also the potential for politics and business competition to affect opinions.

However, I am disappointed that he represents AG1 after watching Scott Carney's video which mentions quality issues of lead and mold as well as a sketchy founder.

And no, I don't think he can run a sub-4 mile or sub-14 5k at altitude (Boulder elevation I assume). But he may do very well at Western States if he does more training and less videos. And even if he has a bad race that day, I think he will do well at another 100-mile race.

Another masterpiece from the Roche parody guy. The bit where he's reading out what he wrote down after the workout is stunningly accurate. Laughed out loud on his 49th 150m rep 'FKT'...

@kiltedrunner this is brilliant.

I'm actually on the fence about Roche, but this is genius parody, thanks for pointing it out.

Also (and this reflects badly on me) some of it like the "see what sticks" workout reminds me of myself with some of the cr*p I come up with and try and execute. It's good to be able to laugh at yourself though.

what treadmill mile?

how so?

I heard David deleted his grindstone activity on Strava, or the ankle photo, I don’t know because he blocked me on Strava. I’ve also heard that he deleted the IG story photo. It’s obvious he is playing cover up, but whether there’s going to be any proof is probably inconclusive. There’s evidence of him wearing the same shoe as Grindstone, and something about his leg hair. Maybe if someone got a screenshot of something. David will go to his grave with this lie instead of reckoning with the truth.

I see

I don't know why, but the face first cooling in the river was the funniest part to me. Pure gold!

And of course David has to comment “This is GENIUS! Just brilliant the best thing Ive ever seen! Huzzah!”

Are his ankle problems from an old football injury?

"When things get tough, Michigan Bluff mile 55 Western States, I'll call on that No Hands sprint workout. I won't call on some long run in the mountains because I don't do those."

Hahahaha!

The screenshots have been linked in this thread. They're still there.

The Grindstone activity on Strava, with the ankle photo, is still there.

Instagram stories delete after 24 hours by default. I think you can choose to make one or more of them to persist.

The "smoking gun" whereby he is wearing Hoka Mafates in the most recent photo, "which he doesn't wear anymore so the photo must be from the 2023 injury", are being worn by him in the Freetrail video about his training just before Big Alta. This is also linked in this thread.

David Roche is a polarising guy who puts himself out there, and deserves criticism in some areas (IMO). The obsession with the bs ankle photo conspiracy is weird and unnecessary.

Definitely not an obsession, it’s entertaining, just like the Camille Herron wiki stuff. Not weird or unnecessary, we all know the guy lies, and catching him is important to the running community, as a lot of people eat up what he spouts. I don’t know how instagram works or the details of all of this very well but a lot of people have commented about seeing the same photo from 2023, in what context I don’t know.

Agreed, a lot of people lap up all sorts of stuff on the internet, without knowing details about the subject (sometimes by their own admission).

Some of these conspiracy theories are ridiculous, give the guy a break!

I am a long-time podcast listener, and I also subscribe to their Paetron, and from my point of view David has shared some valuable insights even though I am not totally in to the "I love you" all the time" and that everyone is world class or best in the world, especially the athletes they coach 😊.

He also makes a lot of claims about for himself and other athletes that are pure speculations and probably not likely to be true. I mean Gold Hill is a brilliant example, it is a local hill in Boulder where a few good athletes have done some attempt, but they are far from world class.

If he attempted the FKT for example for Manitou Incline or Pikes Peak Ascent (or Ascent+Descent) then it would be a different story. There is big world outside of Boulder and outside of the United States with lots of worldclass runners😊.

As for WS it will be interesting to see but the 2 races he has done didn’t have a lot of high calibre competition so it will be a totally different story going up against 5-10 really good pro athletes

why can't I upvote or downvote this post? Did a mod do this? why wouldn't they just delete the post?