Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Flagpole wrote:

non-Amerivcan wrote:

So, the stock market increase only helps the wealthy?

I must be wealthy then.

Congratulations to me!!!!!!!!! I'm a 1%er now.

For the most part, yes.

53% of Americans do not have any money in the stock market, not even in retirement accounts.

MOST of those people are in middle class and below, and the lower on the income scale you go, the less likely you are to have money in the market (and those were big Trump supporters this last time).

Top 1% - 36% of the stock market

Next 4% - 26% of the stock market

Bottom 60% - 4.2% of the stock market

So, you aren't necessarily wealthy because you invest in the stock market, but you are in the minority, and if you put in a decent amount, you are in the great minority.

A rising stock market is great, and everyone SHOULD be encouraged to invest, even if it's a little bit, but currently they don't, and so that doesn't help everyone.

Flagpole wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

A persons definition of "moral soundness" is elusive to pin down. I don't know if he is or is not. All I know is whats in the news, most of which is biased. Was JFK morally sound? Was Teddy Kennedy? Was Bill Clinton? Probably not base on whats likely your definition, yet they were or ran for President. Do I believe he is a legit businessman? he's certainly successful by anyone's definition. As far as I'm aware hes not ever been accused, charged or convicted of anything regarding involvement in illegal activity. Do you know things that LE does not? I do know that his moral standard, whether it fits your definition or not, is far superior to HRC, the only alternative we had at the time. Same in my opinion for any perceived criminality.

Wow dude, you ALSO need to know that Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

1) Elusive to pin down? Really? He's been a known playboy since the 80s. He is on his third wife, and from all reports not all that often (put that dig in for fun...that she doesn't let him touch her doesn't make him immoral), he has said in an interview that he can't say he respects women. He and his father were charged with illegal housing discrimination against black renters (they wouldn't rent to them). He said he just kisses women and doesn't even wait. He said he grabs them by the p*ssy. He is a serial liar, and lying is a sin according to the Bible...a Bible he doesn't even read or even know much about considering his "Two Corinthians" comment. He bragged on Stern's show that he walks backstage at his pageants to see women naked. He has been accused by 19 women of sexual harassment or assault. He files bankruptcy rather than pay his bills, leaving companies and banks holding the bag to the point that US banks will no longer loan him money. He attacks people and calls them names every time he gets. He has had business dealings with Felix Sater, a conman who has spent two different stints in jail for racketeering type things and has ties to the Russian mob. He has long been suspected of Money Laundering with ties also to the Italian mob. He has clearly obstructed justice already, and he is very likely to be guilty of money laundering too along with upcoming perjury and even conspiracy. He defended White Supremacists to the point that David Duke thanked him, and he has consistently said racist and sexist things. What are you even talking about?

2) How many times do I have to say this to you Trump apologists? -- IT DOES NOT MATTER IF SOMEONE ELSE IS ALSO IMMORAL WHEN TALKING ABOUT TRUMP...IT ONLY MATTERS THAT TRUMP IS. You can't defend Trump's immorality by saying that someone else is also immoral. On the SCALE of immorality, Trump ranks highest, BUT even if he didn't, he would still be immoral, and that's what we are talking about here -- TRUMP, not anyone else.

3) Trump is NOT successful by anyone's definition. Mitt Romney wasn't impressed and called him a fraud. He has declared bankruptcy 6 times and now no US banks will loan him money. I can go to the Bank of America and get a loan for a million dollars if I wanted to. Trump can't. He says he is worth $10 billion where the best estimates now have him hovering just above $2 billion after having lost $700 million so far during his presidency. His business hasn't really created wealth for him as he would have more money now if he had just invested the money his father left him. I suppose it is nice that he has employed some people, but that doesn't make him a great businessman.

4) Trump has settled out of court on many illegal activities, including defrauding people with Trump University and illegal fair housing practices along with many other financial disputes.

5) Your comparison of Trump to Hillary Clinton is insane. Trump is by far the worst. BUT, again, even if you can't agree with that, it is time for you to look at Trump just solely. Is he immoral? Is he criminal? Is he doing everything he can to obstruct justice without immediately being called on the carpet for it? What is he hiding? He's not hiding his secret recipe for the best fried chicken.

6) You can often tell the character of a person by looking at the people he surrounds himself with...well, two are indicted already and two others have said they lied to the FBI. Nice.

Take your blinders off, brother.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

L L wrote:

non-Amerivcan wrote:

So, the stock market increase only helps the wealthy?

I must be wealthy then.

Congratulations to me!!!!!!!!! I'm a 1%er now.

A rise in the stock market doesn't help most people with their rent or putting food on the table.

And it doesn't help them with job advancement.

For those with a 401k, which many do not have or have much in, it comes in handy years form now when you retire.

But only if it doesn't crash before then.

I look at my 401k balance and I see a nice number but that does absolutely nothing for now.

The question is, at what point should I move stocks to bonds before any big drop. Because there will be a drop sometime between now and when I retire.

The high stock market really helps Wall Street traders who have fees as a percent of the value of a trade.

And it helps deliver high bonuses for executives with stock based compensation .

Econ Don wrote:

L L wrote:

A rise in the stock market doesn't help most people with their rent or putting food on the table.

And it doesn't help them with job advancement.

For those with a 401k, which many do not have or have much in, it comes in handy years form now when you retire.

But only if it doesn't crash before then.

I look at my 401k balance and I see a nice number but that does absolutely nothing for now.

The question is, at what point should I move stocks to bonds before any big drop. Because there will be a drop sometime between now and when I retire.

The high stock market really helps Wall Street traders who have fees as a percent of the value of a trade.

And it helps deliver high bonuses for executives with stock based compensation .

You can't be this stupid?

Let me put it to you in 3rd grade terms, so perhaps you might be able to comprehend it. Would the majority of Americans be better off with a high Stock Market or a low Stock Market?

Reasonable Republican wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

For the most part, yes.

53% of Americans do not have any money in the stock market, not even in retirement accounts.

MOST of those people are in middle class and below, and the lower on the income scale you go, the less likely you are to have money in the market (and those were big Trump supporters this last time).

Top 1% - 36% of the stock market

Next 4% - 26% of the stock market

Bottom 60% - 4.2% of the stock market

So, you aren't necessarily wealthy because you invest in the stock market, but you are in the minority, and if you put in a decent amount, you are in the great minority.

A rising stock market is great, and everyone SHOULD be encouraged to invest, even if it's a little bit, but currently they don't, and so that doesn't help everyone.

Hmmm if only the bottom 50% had some sort of tax cut that would let them keep more of their hard earned money in addition to higher bonuses and wages created by this theoretical tax cut (see atat and others) so they could invest in this historic trump stock market.

Oh wait.....

Dr. Oz wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Wow dude, you ALSO need to know that Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

1) Elusive to pin down? Really? He's been a known playboy since the 80s. He is on his third wife, and from all reports not all that often (put that dig in for fun...that she doesn't let him touch her doesn't make him immoral), he has said in an interview that he can't say he respects women. He and his father were charged with illegal housing discrimination against black renters (they wouldn't rent to them). He said he just kisses women and doesn't even wait. He said he grabs them by the p*ssy. He is a serial liar, and lying is a sin according to the Bible...a Bible he doesn't even read or even know much about considering his "Two Corinthians" comment. He bragged on Stern's show that he walks backstage at his pageants to see women naked. He has been accused by 19 women of sexual harassment or assault. He files bankruptcy rather than pay his bills, leaving companies and banks holding the bag to the point that US banks will no longer loan him money. He attacks people and calls them names every time he gets. He has had business dealings with Felix Sater, a conman who has spent two different stints in jail for racketeering type things and has ties to the Russian mob. He has long been suspected of Money Laundering with ties also to the Italian mob. He has clearly obstructed justice already, and he is very likely to be guilty of money laundering too along with upcoming perjury and even conspiracy. He defended White Supremacists to the point that David Duke thanked him, and he has consistently said racist and sexist things. What are you even talking about?

2) How many times do I have to say this to you Trump apologists? -- IT DOES NOT MATTER IF SOMEONE ELSE IS ALSO IMMORAL WHEN TALKING ABOUT TRUMP...IT ONLY MATTERS THAT TRUMP IS. You can't defend Trump's immorality by saying that someone else is also immoral. On the SCALE of immorality, Trump ranks highest, BUT even if he didn't, he would still be immoral, and that's what we are talking about here -- TRUMP, not anyone else.

3) Trump is NOT successful by anyone's definition. Mitt Romney wasn't impressed and called him a fraud. He has declared bankruptcy 6 times and now no US banks will loan him money. I can go to the Bank of America and get a loan for a million dollars if I wanted to. Trump can't. He says he is worth $10 billion where the best estimates now have him hovering just above $2 billion after having lost $700 million so far during his presidency. His business hasn't really created wealth for him as he would have more money now if he had just invested the money his father left him. I suppose it is nice that he has employed some people, but that doesn't make him a great businessman.

4) Trump has settled out of court on many illegal activities, including defrauding people with Trump University and illegal fair housing practices along with many other financial disputes.

5) Your comparison of Trump to Hillary Clinton is insane. Trump is by far the worst. BUT, again, even if you can't agree with that, it is time for you to look at Trump just solely. Is he immoral? Is he criminal? Is he doing everything he can to obstruct justice without immediately being called on the carpet for it? What is he hiding? He's not hiding his secret recipe for the best fried chicken.

6) You can often tell the character of a person by looking at the people he surrounds himself with...well, two are indicted already and two others have said they lied to the FBI. Nice.

Take your blinders off, brother.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

I think someone struck a nerve.

Calm down, brother before you have a coronary.

Flagpole wrote:

Reasonable Republican wrote:

Hmmm if only the bottom 50% had some sort of tax cut that would let them keep more of their hard earned money in addition to higher bonuses and wages created by this theoretical tax cut (see atat and others) so they could invest in this historic trump stock market.

Oh wait.....

Nah...that is obsolete thinking that has been proven wrong.

These tax cuts for low-income people are slim to none, and they eventually expire.

There should NEVER be a tax cut that greatly benefits the wealthy while not helping the poor.

There are just a very few companies giving out bonuses they wouldn't have due to these tax cuts, and even for those that are, those companies made a KILLING while giving out pennies to the peasants.

I'm not against big companies making a killing, but the gap is just too great, made greater by this stupid tax cut. MOST companies are doing stock buy backs that help the stock market and their investors. I benefit greatly from this, but I don't need to.

Some more money should have been used to shore up Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid rather than set it up so that mostly wealthy people benefit.

DiscoGary wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Nah...that is obsolete thinking that has been proven wrong.

These tax cuts for low-income people are slim to none, and they eventually expire.

There should NEVER be a tax cut that greatly benefits the wealthy while not helping the poor.

There are just a very few companies giving out bonuses they wouldn't have due to these tax cuts, and even for those that are, those companies made a KILLING while giving out pennies to the peasants.

I'm not against big companies making a killing, but the gap is just too great, made greater by this stupid tax cut. MOST companies are doing stock buy backs that help the stock market and their investors. I benefit greatly from this, but I don't need to.

Some more money should have been used to shore up Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid rather than set it up so that mostly wealthy people benefit.

This is the same old liberal crap about a booming Republican economy. It didn't work against Reagan and he got re-elected in a 49 state landslide. If we're still arguing about whether or not everyone is getting their share of the bigly yuge economic pie in 2020, then that's basically a Democrat surrender.