This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
You’re right, the CDC is making the recommendation for 65+, not for everyone. But you already said the boosters are a good idea for everyone, if not necessary. Which is it?
People having agency in their health care decisions is not even remotely close to telling other people what to do with their bodies, even implicitly. That’s the domain of you guys, not “antivaxxers,” which you’ve again admitted with your coercion and shame comments. Because that’s exactly what you did, even though 2600bore (you) said there was no “mandate.” It’s almost like you think corporate America wasn’t listening to the NIH/CDC/FDA🙄
Somehow Djokovic became a counter cultural icon, massively pissing off the likes of you, simply because he opted to get natural immunity while following Covid protocols but also pointing out the hypocrisy of the authoritarian monolith. After which he then merely resumed winning. The b*stard.
I actually didn’t say they were necessary. I said the opposite. I think they’re a net positive for any individual for which they’re recommended, but all vaxxed people are already well protected. The net effect of a booster is good, but not as huge as the primary series. Also, the risk of COVID is lower in the vaccinated. So it’s not as important that everyone run for the booster nowadays, although people would be smart to!
I have zero issue with any corporate mandate — it’s private organization and they can make any rules they want that don’t violate employment law. My libertarian ideals are strong.
Chokervic cried like a baby and blasted antivaxx talking points all over the media for months. That killed people. Your king, is a killer.
Libertarian? Your stances on this thread are far from libertarian.
At least pretend you know what the fvck you’re talking about. 🤦♂️
A real clash of titans. But at least I’m not a blowhard who pretends he was paid by the word.
I’m sorry, you lost this one kid. I appreciate the earnest effort. I do. But at this point you’re not even defending yourself. A markedly difference response. You ran a silly gambit with a stupid stance and made yourself a fool. Again, good luck.
Harambro is truly the Black Knight.
I LOVE him for it. Thank you, Harambro. The gift that keeps on giving. 👍
A real clash of titans. But at least I’m not a blowhard who pretends he was paid by the word.
I’m sorry, you lost this one kid. I appreciate the earnest effort. I do. But at this point you’re not even defending yourself. A markedly difference response. You ran a silly gambit with a stupid stance and made yourself a fool. Again, good luck.
Ah yes the iconic “I’m out of arguments so I’ll just declare victory”
Chokervic has long COVID. You can’t convince me otherwise.
I actually didn’t say they were necessary. I said the opposite. I think they’re a net positive for any individual for which they’re recommended, but all vaxxed people are already well protected. The net effect of a booster is good, but not as huge as the primary series. Also, the risk of COVID is lower in the vaccinated. So it’s not as important that everyone run for the booster nowadays, although people would be smart to!
I have zero issue with any corporate mandate — it’s private organization and they can make any rules they want that don’t violate employment law. My libertarian ideals are strong.
Chokervic cried like a baby and blasted antivaxx talking points all over the media for months. That killed people. Your king, is a killer.
Libertarian? Your stances on this thread are far from libertarian.
At least pretend you know what the fvck you’re talking about. 🤦♂️
Actually the most libertarian. I’m also a discord mod and have 4 fedoras. You couldn’t dream
Today I was told that killing people ended the pandemic, that people have been getting vaccinated every 4 months, and that companies should be forced to employ to stupid people.
no better ego boost than reading what our little pen of morons spits out daily.
I’m sorry, you lost this one kid. I appreciate the earnest effort. I do. But at this point you’re not even defending yourself. A markedly difference response. You ran a silly gambit with a stupid stance and made yourself a fool. Again, good luck.
Ah yes the iconic “I’m out of arguments so I’ll just declare victory”
Chokervic has long COVID. You can’t convince me otherwise.
Once again we are in the same place. A fool making assertions without substance. I need you to say more than just trust me I’m right. I’ve stated concrete observable facts over and over. You make vague assertions. The irony that you have become what you complain about in others is downright hilarious. Say something of substance or shut up regarding Novak. You’re making yourself into a fool. Such a silly hill to die on. Do better.
Today I was told that killing people ended the pandemic, that people have been getting vaccinated every 4 months, and that companies should be forced to employ to stupid people.
no better ego boost than reading what our little pen of morons spits out daily.
Omicron did end the pandemic. Unfortunately, it killed people, including vaccinated people. It also conveyed final immunity, however poor, to vaccinated and naturally infected with a prior infection alike.
People have been getting vaccinated every four months; in fact, that was the CDC’s recommendation for 65+ and “high risk” people. Literally their recommendation. Plus, you trotted out a fool who got 217 injections as a paragon of safety and effectiveness for the vaccine without calling the guy out as a moron (which he is) and saying don’t try this at home. One data point even though you abhor the “anecdotes.”
Nobody should’ve had the threat of job loss or loss of education as a mandate for taking the vaccine. Just like, no small business owner, quite unlike liquor stores, dispensaries, and Costco, should’ve had their businesses shuttered due to the initial lockdowns. Yet it all happened.
Today we learned that you are a fascist who vehemently denies it and calls himself a libertarian and overexplains himself in a very defensive posture. But, we get it. You’re going to keep arguing your three talking points forever and ever. You told us so. Even with absolutely nobody listening to you. You do you.
Omicron did end the pandemic. Unfortunately, it killed people, including vaccinated people. It also conveyed final immunity, however poor, to vaccinated and naturally infected with a prior infection alike.
Omicron (and Delta) killed people both vaccinated and unvaccinated, but it disproportionately killed the unvaccinated. And it was not even close.
You can't participate in a sane discussion about covid vaccinations while ignoring this point.
Omicron did end the pandemic. Unfortunately, it killed people, including vaccinated people. It also conveyed final immunity, however poor, to vaccinated and naturally infected with a prior infection alike.
Omicron (and Delta) killed people both vaccinated and unvaccinated, but it disproportionately killed the unvaccinated. And it was not even close.
You can't participate in a sane discussion about covid vaccinations while ignoring this point.
It’s not being ignored. Nobody told those unvaccinated people, most of whom were high risk (because, yes, we could define what that was, especially pre-Omicron) not to get vaccinated. Quite the opposite actually. There were also basic things that could’ve been employed to lower viral load and mitigate the outcome that were roundly ignored.
Either way, Omicron ended the pandemic and was a booster shot for some of us who endured Delta.
Today I was told that killing people ended the pandemic, that people have been getting vaccinated every 4 months, and that companies should be forced to employ to stupid people.
no better ego boost than reading what our little pen of morons spits out daily.
Omicron did end the pandemic. Unfortunately, it killed people, including vaccinated people. It also conveyed final immunity, however poor, to vaccinated and naturally infected with a prior infection alike.
People have been getting vaccinated every four months; in fact, that was the CDC’s recommendation for 65+ and “high risk” people. Literally their recommendation. Plus, you trotted out a fool who got 217 injections as a paragon of safety and effectiveness for the vaccine without calling the guy out as a moron (which he is) and saying don’t try this at home. One data point even though you abhor the “anecdotes.”
Nobody should’ve had the threat of job loss or loss of education as a mandate for taking the vaccine. Just like, no small business owner, quite unlike liquor stores, dispensaries, and Costco, should’ve had their businesses shuttered due to the initial lockdowns. Yet it all happened.
Today we learned that you are a fascist who vehemently denies it and calls himself a libertarian and overexplains himself in a very defensive posture. But, we get it. You’re going to keep arguing your three talking points forever and ever. You told us so. Even with absolutely nobody listening to you. You do you.
Omicron just killed people sorry bro.
The 217 vax dude was hilarious - he did it to sell vaccine cards. It’s an interesting case. You’re very odd if you can’t get that.
Employers shouldn’t be forced to employ stupid people. If you want to defend that. You’re crazy.
Omicron (and Delta) killed people both vaccinated and unvaccinated, but it disproportionately killed the unvaccinated. And it was not even close.
You can't participate in a sane discussion about covid vaccinations while ignoring this point.
It’s not being ignored. Nobody told those unvaccinated people, most of whom were high risk (because, yes, we could define what that was, especially pre-Omicron) not to get vaccinated. Quite the opposite actually. There were also basic things that could’ve been employed to lower viral load and mitigate the outcome that were roundly ignored.
Either way, Omicron ended the pandemic and was a booster shot for some of us who endured Delta.
3… 2… 1… cue the, “well you guys were stupid comments.” Djokovic, like me, made the best possible choice for himself, to your dismay, so now you need us to be stupid. But, here we are, contributing to herd immunity and such while not telling anyone else to do with their bodies without a worry in the world. But, Crohn’s!
Omicron (and Delta) killed people both vaccinated and unvaccinated, but it disproportionately killed the unvaccinated. And it was not even close.
You can't participate in a sane discussion about covid vaccinations while ignoring this point.
It’s not being ignored. Nobody told those unvaccinated people, most of whom were high risk (because, yes, we could define what that was, especially pre-Omicron) not to get vaccinated. Quite the opposite actually. There were also basic things that could’ve been employed to lower viral load and mitigate the outcome that were roundly ignored.
Either way, Omicron ended the pandemic and was a booster shot for some of us who endured Delta.
“They were high risk because they died” “I am very smart”
It’s not being ignored. Nobody told those unvaccinated people, most of whom were high risk (because, yes, we could define what that was, especially pre-Omicron) not to get vaccinated. Quite the opposite actually. There were also basic things that could’ve been employed to lower viral load and mitigate the outcome that were roundly ignored.
Either way, Omicron ended the pandemic and was a booster shot for some of us who endured Delta.
3… 2… 1… cue the, “well you guys were stupid comments.” Djokovic, like me, made the best possible choice for himself, to your dismay, so now you need us to be stupid. But, here we are, contributing to herd immunity and such while not telling anyone else to do with their bodies without a worry in the world. But, Crohn’s!
If think exposing yourself to higher risk of death, hospitalization, long term autoimmunity, etc. is the “best choice” … you’re just not very smart! Sorry bro! You can scream the same invalid assertions until you pass out but you’ve presented no evidence so I just ignore it.
Ah yes the iconic “I’m out of arguments so I’ll just declare victory”
Chokervic has long COVID. You can’t convince me otherwise.
Once again we are in the same place. A fool making assertions without substance. I need you to say more than just trust me I’m right. I’ve stated concrete observable facts over and over. You make vague assertions. The irony that you have become what you complain about in others is downright hilarious. Say something of substance or shut up regarding Novak. You’re making yourself into a fool. Such a silly hill to die on. Do better.
Wrong. All you say is “he used to win” in your typical bloviating style.
I say “now he lost” and say I’ve observed him playing worse.
Neither of us are making particularly rigorous arguments, which is fine, but at least I’m not pretending to.
Today I was told that killing people ended the pandemic, that people have been getting vaccinated every 4 months, and that companies should be forced to employ to stupid people.
no better ego boost than reading what our little pen of morons spits out daily.
Omicron did end the pandemic. Unfortunately, it killed people, including vaccinated people. It also conveyed final immunity, however poor, to vaccinated and naturally infected with a prior infection alike.
People have been getting vaccinated every four months; in fact, that was the CDC’s recommendation for 65+ and “high risk” people. Literally their recommendation. Plus, you trotted out a fool who got 217 injections as a paragon of safety and effectiveness for the vaccine without calling the guy out as a moron (which he is) and saying don’t try this at home. One data point even though you abhor the “anecdotes.”
Nobody should’ve had the threat of job loss or loss of education as a mandate for taking the vaccine. Just like, no small business owner, quite unlike liquor stores, dispensaries, and Costco, should’ve had their businesses shuttered due to the initial lockdowns. Yet it all happened.
Today we learned that you are a fascist who vehemently denies it and calls himself a libertarian and overexplains himself in a very defensive posture. But, we get it. You’re going to keep arguing your three talking points forever and ever. You told us so. Even with absolutely nobody listening to you. You do you.
lol you’re so mad someone got 217 shots and it’s fine. It blows off a whole arm of your pitiful argument.
Everyone should be at the mercy of the rules their employer sets. That’s how it works if you’re libertarian. You want the government to literally tell companies how to hire and fire people. Doesn’t get more statist than that.
PS. If you have to invoke “yes, it killed a lot of people” your argument is much weaker. See how I don’t have to do that with the vaccine?
It’s not being ignored. Nobody told those unvaccinated people, most of whom were high risk (because, yes, we could define what that was, especially pre-Omicron) not to get vaccinated. Quite the opposite actually. There were also basic things that could’ve been employed to lower viral load and mitigate the outcome that were roundly ignored.
Either way, Omicron ended the pandemic and was a booster shot for some of us who endured Delta.
“They were high risk because they died” “I am very smart”
There you go again with the “only the high risk should get boosted now,” but we can’t possibly know who these people are or were🤦♂️
3… 2… 1… cue the, “well you guys were stupid comments.” Djokovic, like me, made the best possible choice for himself, to your dismay, so now you need us to be stupid. But, here we are, contributing to herd immunity and such while not telling anyone else to do with their bodies without a worry in the world. But, Crohn’s!
If think exposing yourself to higher risk of death, hospitalization, long term autoimmunity, etc. is the “best choice” … you’re just not very smart! Sorry bro! You can scream the same invalid assertions until you pass out but you’ve presented no evidence so I just ignore it.
Yet here you are responding to it.
You’re a fascist. You wanted Djokovic grounded and worse, you wanted people forced to get vaccines even when they already had immunity, and now you are praying that unvaccinated people get some form of autoimmunity to “prove” how correct your “science” and fascist tendencies are.
Meanwhile, Nadal is going to be forced into an early retirement because of post-Vax syndrome. But, wait! That’s just an opinion even though I stated it as fact!
If think exposing yourself to higher risk of death, hospitalization, long term autoimmunity, etc. is the “best choice” … you’re just not very smart! Sorry bro! You can scream the same invalid assertions until you pass out but you’ve presented no evidence so I just ignore it.
Yet here you are responding to it.
You’re a fascist. You wanted Djokovic grounded and worse, you wanted people forced to get vaccines even when they already had immunity, and now you are praying that unvaccinated people get some form of autoimmunity to “prove” how correct your “science” and fascist tendencies are.
Meanwhile, Nadal is going to be forced into an early retirement because of post-Vax syndrome. But, wait! That’s just an opinion even though I stated it as fact!
No one was forced to get vaccines in the US! Employers were allowed to fire stupid people!
Infection driven immunity is 1) poor 2) too hard to classify, too many disparate responses. We cant do in depth immunophenotyping to confirm your COVID infection conferred immunity... just get vaccinated!
Unvaccinated people are at a much higher risk for autoimmune diseases, that's a fact.
The "praying" here is from you, because you need vaccines to be dangerous. Your whole argument falls apart when people realize there is no cost vaccination...oops!