Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

Reasonable Republican wrote:

Who do you think gets MORE credit for the surge in the stock market since Nov.8 2016 Obama or Trump?

No more vague answers you have to choose one or the other. If you say Obama tell me which specific policy he implemented on this date that started the surge. I look forward to your response.

Yes, Trump delivered in helping the forgotten people - the wealthy.

What group has not benefited from a surge in the stock market? Why does it have to be bad if wealthy people get wealthier?

non-Amerivcan wrote:

So, the stock market increase only helps the wealthy?

I must be wealthy then.

Congratulations to me!!!!!!!!! I'm a 1%er now.

A rise in the stock market doesn't help most people with their rent or putting food on the table.

And it doesn't help them with job advancement.

For those with a 401k, which many do not have or have much in, it comes in handy years form now when you retire.

But only if it doesn't crash before then.

I look at my 401k balance and I see a nice number but that does absolutely nothing for now.

The question is, at what point should I move stocks to bonds before any big drop. Because there will be a drop sometime between now and when I retire.

The high stock market really helps Wall Street traders who have fees as a percent of the value of a trade.

And it helps deliver high bonuses for executives with stock based compensation .

It's not bad if wealthy people get wealthier.

It's just that wealthy people are a small percent of total Americans.

So it's a small story of relatively few people doing very well.

Wow dude, you ALSO need to know that Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

1) Elusive to pin down? Really? He's been a known playboy since the 80s. He is on his third wife, and from all reports not all that often (put that dig in for fun...that she doesn't let him touch her doesn't make him immoral), he has said in an interview that he can't say he respects women. He and his father were charged with illegal housing discrimination against black renters (they wouldn't rent to them). He said he just kisses women and doesn't even wait. He said he grabs them by the p*ssy. He is a serial liar, and lying is a sin according to the Bible...a Bible he doesn't even read or even know much about considering his "Two Corinthians" comment. He bragged on Stern's show that he walks backstage at his pageants to see women naked. He has been accused by 19 women of sexual harassment or assault. He files bankruptcy rather than pay his bills, leaving companies and banks holding the bag to the point that US banks will no longer loan him money. He attacks people and calls them names every time he gets. He has had business dealings with Felix Sater, a conman who has spent two different stints in jail for racketeering type things and has ties to the Russian mob. He has long been suspected of Money Laundering with ties also to the Italian mob. He has clearly obstructed justice already, and he is very likely to be guilty of money laundering too along with upcoming perjury and even conspiracy. He defended White Supremacists to the point that David Duke thanked him, and he has consistently said racist and sexist things. What are you even talking about?

2) How many times do I have to say this to you Trump apologists? -- IT DOES NOT MATTER IF SOMEONE ELSE IS ALSO IMMORAL WHEN TALKING ABOUT TRUMP...IT ONLY MATTERS THAT TRUMP IS. You can't defend Trump's immorality by saying that someone else is also immoral. On the SCALE of immorality, Trump ranks highest, BUT even if he didn't, he would still be immoral, and that's what we are talking about here -- TRUMP, not anyone else.

3) Trump is NOT successful by anyone's definition. Mitt Romney wasn't impressed and called him a fraud. He has declared bankruptcy 6 times and now no US banks will loan him money. I can go to the Bank of America and get a loan for a million dollars if I wanted to. Trump can't. He says he is worth $10 billion where the best estimates now have him hovering just above $2 billion after having lost $700 million so far during his presidency. His business hasn't really created wealth for him as he would have more money now if he had just invested the money his father left him. I suppose it is nice that he has employed some people, but that doesn't make him a great businessman.

4) Trump has settled out of court on many illegal activities, including defrauding people with Trump University and illegal fair housing practices along with many other financial disputes.

5) Your comparison of Trump to Hillary Clinton is insane. Trump is by far the worst. BUT, again, even if you can't agree with that, it is time for you to look at Trump just solely. Is he immoral? Is he criminal? Is he doing everything he can to obstruct justice without immediately being called on the carpet for it? What is he hiding? He's not hiding his secret recipe for the best fried chicken.

6) You can often tell the character of a person by looking at the people he surrounds himself with...well, two are indicted already and two others have said they lied to the FBI. Nice.

Take your blinders off, brother.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

nontrumper wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

And that the Democrats have been woefully inadequate in providing any of it?

A common GOP talking point, but not based on facts.

"Yet at the same time, more immigrants were forcibly removed from the United States under Obama than any other president. More than 2.8 million undocumented immigrants have been deported over the last eight years, marking a visceral point of conflict for DREAMers who say they have much to owe to the president."

Most of those were the "catch and release" type deportations of people crossing the border. If anything that stat is proof of how bad border security is.

Flagpole: 312

OLD SMTC SOB & Associates: 0

You might consider letting them get 1 point some time, brother - if only for humanitarian reasons.

Fair enough, but to say one party has been 'woefully' negligent regarding immigration is simply false.

non-Amerivcan wrote:

L L wrote:

The rise in the stock market since Nov 8, 2016 is very much based on the expected and delivered Republican and Trump tax cuts for the wealthy, who are also the main beneficiary of a stock market rise.

So you got me there.

Yes, Trump delivered in helping the forgotten people - the wealthy.

So, the stock market increase only helps the wealthy?

I must be wealthy then.

Congratulations to me!!!!!!!!! I'm a 1%er now.

For the most part, yes.

53% of Americans do not have any money in the stock market, not even in retirement accounts.

MOST of those people are in middle class and below, and the lower on the income scale you go, the less likely you are to have money in the market (and those were big Trump supporters this last time).

Top 1% - 36% of the stock market

Next 4% - 26% of the stock market

Bottom 60% - 4.2% of the stock market

So, you aren't necessarily wealthy because you invest in the stock market, but you are in the minority, and if you put in a decent amount, you are in the great minority.

A rising stock market is great, and everyone SHOULD be encouraged to invest, even if it's a little bit, but currently they don't, and so that doesn't help everyone.

They are just on the wrong side of the issue. Can't win any points when you are just flat out on the wrong side. I have let them know that they can come on over to the correct side here and I will not ridicule them, yet they continue to hold on to some fantasy that Trump is a good person, a good businessmen, a good political leader. He isn't as you know.

TheOP wrote:

What group has not benefited from a surge in the stock market? Why does it have to be bad if wealthy people get wealthier?

Almost half of all Americans own no stock whatsoever, not even through a retirement plan. It's hard to argue that this bottom half gets any benefit from rising stocks.

Nobody is saying that it's inherently bad if wealthy people get wealthier. It only becomes harmful when the level of income inequality increases.

Flagpole wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

My 401K is already pleasantly surprised, which makes me a happy SOB.

The cool thing about that is that as long as our retirement investments go up, we can morally look the other way when our President does horrible and illegal things.

Don't be complicit in his behavior.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Like when you bragged about making money in the Obummer years, but you complicitly looked away at his behavior.

Flagpole is wrong again.

No one is coming.

The clown Flagpole is proven wrong again.

What a sad little creature.

Floggerville wrote:

Like when you bragged about making money in the Obummer years, but you complicitly looked away at his behavior.

Flagpole is wrong again.

No one is coming.

The clown Flagpole is proven wrong again.

What a sad little creature.

What behavior?! Seriously. Not. One. Legitimate. Allegation. Of. Illegal. Conduct. Comparing Obama to Trump is outlandish. I don't care if you agree with his politics, but if you can't see the absurdity of your comment, then you're helpless. Tribalism at its finest.

You're living in denial. There's practically something new everyday that indicates legal troubles for Trump. Obstruction of justice will the least of his problems when Mueller is finished. DRIP. DRIP. DRIP. DRIP. I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Trump is F*CKED.

Mueller time is fast approaching.

Country over party.

Fat hurts wrote:

TheOP wrote:

What group has not benefited from a surge in the stock market? Why does it have to be bad if wealthy people get wealthier?

Almost half of all Americans own no stock whatsoever, not even through a retirement plan. It's hard to argue that this bottom half gets any benefit from rising stocks.

Nobody is saying that it's inherently bad if wealthy people get wealthier. It only becomes harmful when the level of income inequality increases.

Few Americans have enough savings to make a material difference. I think it's safe to assume Trump's "forgotten voter" doesn't have much at all in savings.

GDP growth below expectations in fourth quarter of 2017

The Dear Leader by his visage alone kept securities markets in positive territory? The Dear Leader's visage also credited with keeping planes in the sky and lowering crime.

WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?!?

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

GDP growth below expectations in fourth quarter of 2017

The Dear Leader by his visage alone kept securities markets in positive territory? The Dear Leader's visage also credited with keeping planes in the sky and lowering crime.

WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?!?

1/2 FAKE news

1/2 Conspiracy by the DEEP STATE

Floggerville wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

The cool thing about that is that as long as our retirement investments go up, we can morally look the other way when our President does horrible and illegal things.

Don't be complicit in his behavior.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Like when you bragged about making money in the Obummer years, but you complicitly looked away at his behavior.

Flagpole is wrong again.

No one is coming.

The clown Flagpole is proven wrong again.

What a sad little creature.

1) Obama will go down as one of our greatest Presidents. No need to be complicit with him.

2) I am right again.

3) Mueller is coming.

4) The clown is done.

Flagpole rules the Trump trolls once again.

Timothy Foyle wrote:

1/2 FAKE news

1/2 Conspiracy by the DEEP STATE

Convincing others to wear your hat, Tim Foyle?

L L wrote:

It's not bad if wealthy people get wealthier.

It's just that wealthy people are a small percent of total Americans.

So it's a small story of relatively few people doing very well.

True. More people could be wealthy if they would just invest and invest and invest and not worry about the ups and downs of the market. The ironic thing of course is that a lot of those who don't have money in the market were Trump voters. They wanted someone who would help the little man, and yet wealthy people with lots of money in the market are the ones benefiting the most, continuing to increase the gap between the haves and the have nots. This should not be.

nontrumper wrote:

Floggerville wrote:

Like when you bragged about making money in the Obummer years, but you complicitly looked away at his behavior.

Flagpole is wrong again.

No one is coming.

The clown Flagpole is proven wrong again.

What a sad little creature.

What behavior?! Seriously. Not. One. Legitimate. Allegation. Of. Illegal. Conduct. Comparing Obama to Trump is outlandish. I don't care if you agree with his politics, but if you can't see the absurdity of your comment, then you're helpless. Tribalism at its finest.

You're living in denial. There's practically something new everyday that indicates legal troubles for Trump. Obstruction of justice will the least of his problems when Mueller is finished. DRIP. DRIP. DRIP. DRIP. I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Trump is F*CKED.

Mueller time is fast approaching.

Country over party.

Mueller Time indeed: