All autocratic movements in history have suffered factionalism and infighting. One group isn’t pure enough. One isn’t radical enough. One wants incremental change to win over the people while another wants to impose their will from the jump. This is no different. It appears that Kirk may have died over beef with a rival.
Yep. We'll see where the evidence goes, but to use a political analogy there is a real chance that in the battle to occupy a particular lane in the right wing movement, Charlie Kirk could have been "primaried" by Nick Fuentes' group with a bullet.
Appears to be right on right crime. Fuentes fan and Fuentes wasn't a Kirk fan.
Clearly nuts though.
Again, he's whining about "fascism". That sounds exactly like MSNBC. No Republican b!tches about "fascism"
this is so misleading and not accurate. i think milley, kelly, and his health secretary have all called him fascist. the deal is this is a personality cult on board with whatever he does (save epstein) such that within 5 seconds of criticizing the man you get ostracized and called some mix of RINO or dem. as such the cult tries to recursively define out its critics. it can then claim to not have any critics on the right.
It’s almost always a deranged young white man with a gun. That’s a factual statement.
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1) First step, determine the perpetrator's religion. If they're Muslim you're done! They are a radical Islamic terrorist motivated by their religion (which should heretofore be referred to as a pseudo-religion, political movement, or "death cult" in any discussion). The solution to the problem in these cases is to ban Islam and restrict immigration. It's irrelevant if the perp is a US born citizen or if said ban doesn't even include the perps or perps family country of origin. The perps religion is the ONLY possible explanation for their motives and the above ban is the ONLY viable solution to prevent future attacks. If the perp is not Muslim move to step two in the algorithm.
2) Second step, if a non-Muslim committed the heinous act determine the perpetrator's race. If they are black you're done! The cause of the shooting is the lack or a moral compass in the black community, blacks inherent violent nature, Antifa, or black lives matter. The only possible solutions are harsher prison sentences, for-profit charter schools, reinstatement of school prayer, and tax cuts. If the perp is neither Muslim or black, move to step three.
3) Step three, is the perp Hispanic by chance? If yes, the solutions are to build a MASSIVE border wall across our entire Southern border, permanently station US infantry / artillery / special forces along the US-Mexico border, end chain migration, deportation of all DACA recipients, and mandatory English education...TALK ‘Murican dammit! If the perp is not Hispanic move to the next step below.
4) Is the perp a teenager or a college kid? If yes, you’re done! The cause of the incident is the nanny state, generational laziness, violent video games & movies, pre-marital sex, porn, and the absence of God (The Christian God) in schools. We need to ban all porn, ban all violent video games & movies, teach abstinence-only sex education, bring back school prayer, and slash all entitlement programs (except for Medicare and social security for the elderly...).
5) Can it be proven that the perp is a registered Democrat? If yes, you’re done! The cause is the violent political ideology of the left. Didn’t you know the Nazis were Social Democrats? Didn’t you know that the Democratic Party of the early 20th century was pro-segregation? The only solution to save our Democracy is to have single party control of the Government and to make Trump & his family POTUS for life—that’s how you save Democracy!
6) Is the perp a woman? If yes, this is a rare event but the cause is the loss of family values, no fault divorce, legalized abortion, easy access to contraception, and women’s inability to handle work related stress. We need to ban all abortion, contraception, and divorce to prevent such incidents in the future.
7)Is the perp Trans or gay or in anyway affiliated with the LGTBQIA+….(XYZPDQ…LOL) community? If yes, you’re done! This is clearly mental illness—not the “normal” kind of mental illness (see below) but the kind we can do something about by not allowing these specific people to have guns, committing them involuntarily to mental institutions, striping them of all rights that normal people have, and forcing them into conversion therapy. You have a problem with that!?!? You know in Gaza they throw this kind off of roofs—we just want to deny them basic constitutional rights!!!!…which is clearly the only solution.
8)This is the final step. In this step the perpetrator is a white male that may or may not be a Christian. They may have even been raised in a Republican, Religious family in a community that reflects these values. In these cases (which are the majority) the only possible explanation is mental illness, the kind we cannot do anything about, of course. In these cases it is way too soon to discuss doing anything! After all we cannot overreact to these situations by passing EXTREME new laws! We cannot deny such people—you know the ones who fit this demographic/ socioeconomic/ family of origin profile their second amendment rights!!! That would be unconstitutional to deny such people access to firearms! That is their God given right and if some people get shot and die it is, unfortunately, worth it to make sure the right kind of people have unfettered access to guns. The only option is to turn to prayer and realize that we are helpless to prevent further similar incidents….once we kill the person who perpetrated the crime of course which we must do as pro-life Christian nation. After some time for prayer and reflection (and execution / retribution) the only reasonable possible solution is to arm every man, woman, and child with large caliber firearms and mandate open carry at all times.
Please follow the above algorithm at all times to ensure a productive, reality based discussion of violence in America on the boards. That is all. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Thoughts & Prayers to the victims and their loved ones.
Fuentes has repeatedly attacked and mocked Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA, accusing them of being insufficiently nationalist (calling them things like “neocon,” “globalist,” or “a liberal in disguise”). Those criticisms are well documented.
Many social-media posts and commentaries (X/Twitter, Reddit, op-eds) say Fuentes has labeled or called Kirk a “fascist,” but these appear to be secondary claims or summaries rather than linked, primary quotes. Example: an X post saying “Nick Fuentes has repeatedly attacked Charlie Kirk—called him a neocon, globalist, and fascist.”
News coverage and commentary about the feud frame Fuentes as a harsh critic who views Kirk as a sellout/traitor to “pure” America-First positions — which plausibly leads others to paraphrase Fuentes as calling Kirk a “fascist.” But I didn’t find a direct clip/transcript where Fuentes uses that exact slur.
one thing i think some of you are missing is utah is an unusual, religious right leaning state, where romney and some of the leaders view trump as whacked. others like lee support trump. but it's an unusual moral/religious space within the right where some might actually think a republican can go too far. that's not most of the party. but that is utah/mormons.
if you know the history, fuentes' folks would sometimes disrupt kirk's college events, viewing him as soft and a gatekeeper.
i know the news media is trying to calm down things after shootings but calling for a halt to political violence assumes an unproven conclusion on motive.
Condolences to his family and friends.Justice should take it's course fully.
Thank God he wasn't Latino, Christian,leftist,black or immigrant or Muslim.The consequences would have been unimaginable to large groups of people....i e collective punishment.Nevertheless justice should take it's full course...you commit a crime and you pay for the consequences.
the american public doesn't seem to get what's called "horseshoe theory," where the hard right and hard left have more in common than with the american middle.
they may not know the jargon but people are actually familiar with their shared ideas, stuff like (a) antivax or (b) relativistic morality and truth. starts on the hard left, whole foods, anti pharma, crosses over to the hard right, pure blood, darwinian health competition.
so it's no surprise they'd hear something critical, think "left," when it could be "right."
glenn greenwald and snowden being examples. if you ever ask, how does someone end up in russia, well, the horseshoe.
It’s almost always a deranged young white man with a gun. That’s a factual statement.
That is what it is always made to look like with these false flags. Booth, Oswald, Hinkley Jr, Rooks, Roth, now Robinson, and too many others to name. The government wants us to believe that single lonely white men who are otherwise failures in every aspect of their lives, are yet somehow capable of killing or almost killing heavily guarded high profile people. They are either fake assasination attempts like in the two Trump attempts or accomplished murder missions such as with Lincoln, Kennedy, Lennon, and now Kirk. They blackmail the shooter getting him to be the fall guy for the real CIA assassins and the victim is either a volunteer like with Trump to get more votes from sympathy, or an unfortunate victim such as Charlie Kirk in this case. It is possible Kirk volunteered this. Sometimes it’s somebody like John Lennon who the government views as a threat to its control over the people. In every case it’s the CIA or some other government hired assassin who has done the actual shooting and not the fall guy. They tried to pin Richard Jewel as the fall guy during the 96 Atlanta bombing but they failed. 911 is another false flag. The list is endless.
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It's unfortunate this debate has to be had at this time of tragedy. But it is increasingly clear that the rest of the world can clearly see the issues that brought this up but Americans unfortunately cannot see it....truly tragic.
It is not rocket science but apparently in America it is.
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