I don't do uphill treadmill at 15%, I don't find value in it. But I do Z2 at 10% sometimes and I do threshold ones at 8%. I find it to be a nice way to get a good uphill stimulus on weekday morning's before work when I can't wait til it's light to hit the trails.
My flat ground threshold pace is around 6:30 these days and I'll do the 8% on the treadmill at like 7mph +/- based on the day.
Personality aside, anyone ever try the “treadhill doubles” roche pushes? incline walking is easy on my joints so this is intriguing, even if it’s coming from a maybe dubious source
not gonna help much if you want to do well at western states
Personality aside, anyone ever try the “treadhill doubles” roche pushes? incline walking is easy on my joints so this is intriguing, even if it’s coming from a maybe dubious source
not gonna help much if you want to do well at western states
Happy New Year’s Eve to all my Haters! next year will be epic so drink up tonight!
"A winter takeaway, via Bare's Full Circle: the myth keeps polishing itself, but the truth stillbleeds through—impatience, grace, irritation, care. That’s where life gets interesting.
"A winter takeaway, via Bare's Full Circle: the myth keeps polishing itself, but the truth stillbleeds through—impatience, grace, irritation, care. That’s where life gets interesting.
Everything else is just noise. Happy New Year."
As Einstein famously might have said, but probably didn’t, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results”
David cannot stop posting under the Claude username, and Claude cannot stop overusing italics. But they will never gain the respect of their audience, because their inauthenticity bleeds through everything they do.
"A winter takeaway, via Bare's Full Circle: the myth keeps polishing itself, but the truth stillbleeds through—impatience, grace, irritation, care. That’s where life gets interesting.
Everything else is just noise. Happy New Year."
As Einstein famously might have said, but probably didn’t, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results”
David cannot stop posting under the Claude username, and Claude cannot stop overusing italics. But they will never gain the respect of their audience, because their inauthenticity bleeds through everything they do.
He’s dug way too deep to get out now. His commitment to the bit is as strong as his love of ketonez…
As Einstein famously might have said, but probably didn’t, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results”
David cannot stop posting under the Claude username, and Claude cannot stop overusing italics. But they will never gain the respect of their audience, because their inauthenticity bleeds through everything they do.
He’s dug way too deep to get out now. His commitment to the bit is as strong as his love of ketonez…
New Singletrack podcast demonstrates how David Roche changed trail running YouTube. What have you done with your life besides b!tch here?
David is injured again, and it's not hard to see why from a cursory review of his Strava. I wouldn't let this dude coach me for free. He's out there making a joke about how he tries to train through his plantar fascitis. Just completely asinine.
David is injured again, and it's not hard to see why from a cursory review of his Strava. I wouldn't let this dude coach me for free. He's out there making a joke about how he tries to train through his plantar fascitis. Just completely asinine.
To be fair I’ve trained through plantar. But you have to make sure it’s plantar and not something else. David and his athletes don’t take much of an offseason. That’s a problem for some.
He’s more of an RFK jr crossed with the Feed spam bot.
“We’re struggling to think of anyone less like RFK Jr. It’s such a category error that it almost becomes abstract art.
RFK trades in grievance, contrarian mystique, and the performance of secret knowledge; David Roche is almost aggressively literal—earnest, transparent about process, forever over-explaining the sausage-making. One posture feeds on distrust of institutions; the other can barely stop citing studies, coaches, volunteers, and collaborators.
Your comparison is less analysis than reflex: ‘public figure I dislike = other public figure I dislike.’ It’s like confusing two men simply because they share a screen—the logic of Totò, Peppino e la... malafemmina, not of thought.
Shorthand isn’t insight. And it tells us far more about the speaker than the subject.”
He’s more of an RFK jr crossed with the Feed spam bot.
“We’re struggling to think of anyone less like RFK Jr. It’s such a category error that it almost becomes abstract art.
RFK trades in grievance, contrarian mystique, and the performance of secret knowledge; David Roche is almost aggressively literal—earnest, transparent about process, forever over-explaining the sausage-making. One posture feeds on distrust of institutions; the other can barely stop citing studies, coaches, volunteers, and collaborators.
Your comparison is less analysis than reflex: ‘public figure I dislike = other public figure I dislike.’ It’s like confusing two men simply because they share a screen—the logic of Totò, Peppino e la... malafemmina, not of thought.
Shorthand isn’t insight. And it tells us far more about the speaker than the subject.”
I dunno bud, they both claim to be men of “science”, shirtless a lot, talk funny, and make crazy claims. don’t think I’ve ever seen RFK with nasal strips, but can almost guarantee he also has a pee bucket and fav dog.
I dunno bud, they both claim to be men of “science”, shirtless a lot, talk funny, and make crazy claims. don’t think I’ve ever seen RFK with nasal strips, but can almost guarantee he also has a pee bucket and fav dog.
Hey Claude, what say you….
”Both frame themselves as challengers to entrenched orthodoxy. Roche criticizes what he calls the “running industrial complex” and traditional high-mileage, high-intensity training dogma. RFK Jr. positions himself against pharmaceutical companies, regulatory agencies, and mainstream medicine. Both suggest that vested interests corrupt the advice people receive. Appealing to “natural” approaches: Roche emphasizes running as joyful, sustainable, and aligned with how bodies naturally adapt—lots of easy running, listening to your body, avoiding overtraining. RFK Jr. promotes “natural immunity,” skepticism of synthetic interventions, and a return to pre-industrial health practices. Both invoke nature as an authority. Personal narrative as evidence: Roche frequently uses anecdotes from his coaching practice and his own athletic journey to support his methods. RFK Jr. relies heavily on personal stories and testimonials from vaccine-injured individuals. Both leverage emotional, individual stories alongside (or sometimes instead of) aggregate data. Distrust of profit motives: Roche questions whether shoe companies, supplement makers, and race organizations give advice that serves runners or their bottom lines. RFK Jr. questions whether pharmaceutical companies prioritize health or profits. Both suggest financial incentives distort scientific guidance. Building loyal communities: Both have cultivated devoted followings who see them as truth-tellers willing to say what others won’t. Their audiences often feel empowered by rejecting mainstream advice. The structural similarity is real: both use skepticism of established expertise to build alternative frameworks that resonate with people who feel failed by conventional approaches.”
I dunno bud, they both claim to be men of “science”, shirtless a lot, talk funny, and make crazy claims. don’t think I’ve ever seen RFK with nasal strips, but can almost guarantee he also has a pee bucket and fav dog.
Hey Claude, what say you….
”Both frame themselves as challengers to entrenched orthodoxy. Roche criticizes what he calls the “running industrial complex” and traditional high-mileage, high-intensity training dogma. RFK Jr. positions himself against pharmaceutical companies, regulatory agencies, and mainstream medicine. Both suggest that vested interests corrupt the advice people receive. Appealing to “natural” approaches: Roche emphasizes running as joyful, sustainable, and aligned with how bodies naturally adapt—lots of easy running, listening to your body, avoiding overtraining. RFK Jr. promotes “natural immunity,” skepticism of synthetic interventions, and a return to pre-industrial health practices. Both invoke nature as an authority. Personal narrative as evidence: Roche frequently uses anecdotes from his coaching practice and his own athletic journey to support his methods. RFK Jr. relies heavily on personal stories and testimonials from vaccine-injured individuals. Both leverage emotional, individual stories alongside (or sometimes instead of) aggregate data. Distrust of profit motives: Roche questions whether shoe companies, supplement makers, and race organizations give advice that serves runners or their bottom lines. RFK Jr. questions whether pharmaceutical companies prioritize health or profits. Both suggest financial incentives distort scientific guidance. Building loyal communities: Both have cultivated devoted followings who see them as truth-tellers willing to say what others won’t. Their audiences often feel empowered by rejecting mainstream advice. The structural similarity is real: both use skepticism of established expertise to build alternative frameworks that resonate with people who feel failed by conventional approaches.”
Well put. Don’t forget both don’t know how to stay in their lane and drip narcissism all over the floor.
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