DiscoGary wrote:
Why won't the Democrats compromise to save them?
Because the standard mode of operation for Repukes is NO compromising on anything. The Repules want DACA. That much is a given. So, why do the Repukes insist on holding DACA hostage to get something else that only a few of them want?
duderr wrote:
"racist" "sexist" "moron" "bigot" "idiot"
I dunno man you guys keep saying that, doesnt it get old. I mean it didnt work during hte electiin obviously anf it doesn't wrkk now. u really think its gonna work? your free to keep using those labels but they dont work, it just hasnt worked at all. it just alienates millions of people and excuses lack of a policy. the dems should stop running or 'anti' this and actually come up with superior policies. the whole 'resist movement' has largely collapsed and now the russia investigation is in msot peoples eyes biased. if you exist in an echochamber where mueller is the man and everything trump does is hitlerian, than yea, it looks successful. but mostly it is failing and people getting all this good financial news in their paychecks, bonuses, taxes and investments just dont care about what a bunch of bitter rliberals are saying. about russia this and that. i think you should really stop it, just not a good look frankly and *most* people dont like sore losers :/
1) This is not an agenda, brother. Calling Trump those things is not a strategy...he simply IS those things, and while it was more than reasonable to call him those things during the election, we have even MORE evidence that he is those things since he has been elected. Why do you Trumpers keep going back to the election? Just because someone was elected doesn't mean everyone stays enamored with that person for ever. People LOVED Jimmy Carter in 1976. Means a hill of beans by the time the next election rolls around.
2) What poll are you looking at that says most people think the investigation is biased? The one I'm looking at right now says 56% disapprove of Trump with regard to the investigation and only 38% approve, and only 34% disapprove of Mueller's handling of the investigation.
3) I will benefit from these stupid tax cuts more than most who post here and more than most Americans in general, because I am wealthy (a term that newly applies to me within the last 2 years) and I have a lot of money invested in the stock market, BUT, I don't let that cloud my judgement on what is right. Doesn't matter if policy-wise he is the best president ever (he isn't) when there is a LOT of smoke that he used the help of a foreign enemy nation to get elected, and if that smoke turns out to just be smoke, all Americans should be concerned that he has deep financial ties to Russia and they likely have something on him so that they have leverage on him, he has clearly obstructed justice, he is very likely to go down on money laundering, and he is a serial liar. These are qualities of a President that you should not accept.
4) That you think those who are against Trump at this point are "sore losers" is asinine. He has done nothing but be mostly an absentee president (an insane amount of golfing and visiting his properties at great cost to the US tax payer), and the time he does spend in the White House is spent lying and trying to obstruct justice.
5) I will add another word to your list of words - "criminal".
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
XY wrote:
duderr wrote:
"racist" "sexist" "moron" "bigot" "idiot"
I dunno man you guys keep saying that, doesnt it get old. I mean it didnt work during hte electiin obviously anf it doesn't wrkk now. u really think its gonna work? your free to keep using those labels but they dont work, it just hasnt worked at all. it just alienates millions of people and excuses lack of a policy. the dems should stop running or 'anti' this and actually come up with superior policies. the whole 'resist movement' has largely collapsed and now the russia investigation is in msot peoples eyes biased. if you exist in an echochamber where mueller is the man and everything trump does is hitlerian, than yea, it looks successful. but mostly it is failing and people getting all this good financial news in their paychecks, bonuses, taxes and investments just dont care about what a bunch of bitter rliberals are saying. about russia this and that. i think you should really stop it, just not a good look frankly and *most* people dont like sore losers :/
No, those labels have absolutely worked, as evidenced by his horrible approval ratings. None of those labels will remove him from office, if that’s what you were fearing.
what do approval ratings mean tho nothign really just as little as the phoney election ratings and polls that showed trump getting btfo when the opposite happened, they wont get him outta office and they could mean people dont lie him personally but when you break down on the issues ppl are actually pretty satisfied the labels are just a wastea time *mostly* - mark my words the economy will be the winning issue, hard to believe trump is hitler or nazi or bad for economy when ppl are getting richer
DiscoGary wrote:
You can't just do lawless stuff and blame the consequences on Republicans without paying the price. Not with Trump anyway!
You no longer can fool most of the people for even 5 minutes. The world has changed and Democrats don't know how to deal with it.... which is exactly what I predicted would happen if Trump won.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, the irony. I have no sympathy for Trumpers. Trump and the GOP are in BIGLY trouble. It's going to be YUGE. Dozens and dozens of indictments. Although this will reveal criminals from both parties, the GOP will pay the biggest price for jumping in bed with Russia. You chose a traitor (Trump) over a patriot (Mueller).
Country over party.
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Let me just remind everyone that it is happening because the godless Trump ended the DACA program and set the March 5th deadline.
The dreamers have done nothing wrong. If you think it's OK to deport them under any circumstances, then you are the heartless one.
Why won't the Democrats compromise to save them?
They will, but they shouldn't need to.
Why are Republicans using dreamers as a bargaining chip? If Republicans put a clean Dreamers bill on the floor of each house it would pass in both.
Can't Stump the Trump wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Let me just remind everyone that it is happening because the godless Trump ended the DACA program and set the March 5th deadline.
Mr. Trump reversed the god complex Obama's executive order and left it up to Congress, where laws are made, as he should. M.A.G.A.
I'm actually fine with this being forced to go through Congress. Fine by me. A little hypocritical to call this a God complex by Obama when Trump has signed a ton of executive orders so far, but in general, I agree with you about executive orders. They should be few and far between and should probably not be done for something as big as this.
I will even go so far as to say I'm ok with changing the rules on "Chain Migration". All it really is is a potential feather in the cap of Republicans (and I don't really care about that), because the way it works now, we don't just open the door for any relative of someone who has been allowed to become a citizen. There is still a serious vetting process. So, if they want to get rid of "Chain Migration", then fine. Those relatives can still apply to be a US citizen on their own. Big deal.
The DACA thing though should just be a clean bill.
Fat hurts wrote:
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Why are Republicans using dreamers as a bargaining chip?
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The Art of the Deal -- Donald Trump
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
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Why are Republicans using dreamers as a bargaining chip?
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The Art of the Deal -- Donald Trump
Which Trump did not write.
Flagpole wrote:
truthseakr wrote:
And after Mueller finds no collusion...
He might not find collusion (conspiracy). I think the chances of that are pretty low though at this point, but that IS the hardest of the things against him to get nailed down.
In order of probability:
1) Money Laundering and Obstruction of Justice tied for first place.
2) Perjury (if he actually talks to Mueller without some huge ridiculous restrictions...Trump just can not tell the truth, and it not suit him to tell the truth here because that would incriminate himself, so he will lie. That lie will be discovered and proven, so Perjury will be the charge.
3) Conspiracy against the United States. I believe that he has done this, but we will have to see if there's enough evidence to charge him with it. IF there isn't, I will state that he is innocent of that, and I won't even say that we all know he did it...I will simply accept the ruling of the investigators.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
I just read a likely scenario regarding Trump and indictments: Mueller is going strong for the quick and easy kill (obstruction of justice) and once Trump is removed from office, it'll be much easier to pursue money laundering and any "collusion-related" crimes.
Crazy times ahead of us. The current sh*tshow is nothing compared to what's coming up next.
Country over party.
Looking forward to Trumpers trying to argue that obstruction of justice is ok. Shouldn't really be considered a 'crime'.
And now we're seeing the Soros funded illegal "dreamers" running around the country bullying and insulting Congressmen on both sides of the aisle. I'm going on record saying this will backfire. The last thing they need is for America to see the dreamers as foul mouthed obnoxious bullying adults, instead of the cute little girls clutching their teddy bears which is the image most Americans have of the adult dreamer "kids".
Bigly mistake.
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
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Why are Republicans using dreamers as a bargaining chip?
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The Art of the Deal -- Donald Trump
My point exactly. It's a sleazy thing to do.
And yeah, the godless Trump didn't write a single word of that book.
He can't even make deals with his own party. He's a good con man and criminal, but he's terrible at making deals.
DiscoGary wrote:
And now we're seeing the Soros funded illegal "dreamers" running around the country bullying and insulting Congressmen on both sides of the aisle. I'm going on record saying this will backfire. The last thing they need is for America to see the dreamers as foul mouthed obnoxious bullying adults, instead of the cute little girls clutching their teddy bears which is the image most Americans have of the adult dreamer "kids".
Bigly mistake.
"as foul mouthed obnoxious bullying adults" That title is reserved for the POTUS!
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
The Art of the Deal -- Donald Trump
My point exactly. It's a sleazy thing to do.
And yeah, the godless Trump didn't write a single word of that book.
He can't even make deals with his own party. He's a good con man and criminal, but he's terrible at making deals.
A sleazy thing to do is to break the law and to drag your kids into it by forcing them to become lawbreakers themselves, leaving them without a home country. THAT'S SLEAZY! The parents who did this to their kids should be hammered with jail sentences. Damn irresponsible parents!
Then you have sleazy Democrats trying to turn this criminal activity into a political win by trying to make it look like Republicans are responsible for the mess created by others. BIGLY SLEAZY!
The more this goes on, the less willing I am to make any compromises at all. Democrats will not negotiate in good faith, so pull the plug and blame them for the consequences. America can see this. We are not fooled.
Looks like at the end of the day Republicans do not want DACA passed.
So don't pass it. But don't act like really do want to pass it.
We have a situation where one party is in power in all three phases, doesn't want a particular bill passed but feels pressure to pass it because that's want the country wants.
You guys want an amnesty for illegal alien kids. Here's one I can get behind.
Every illegal dreamer gets to punch their father once in the face for dragging them into an illegal activity. We should grant them amnesty for that. No prosecution.
L L wrote:
Looks like at the end of the day Republicans do not want DACA passed.
So don't pass it. But don't act like really do want to pass it.
We have a situation where one party is in power in all three phases, doesn't want a particular bill passed but feels pressure to pass it because that's want the country wants.
You don't get what's happening. Republicans want to pass it because they think they'll be called racists if they don't. Every day Trump survives NOT passing DACA is another day the Republicans see there chances of surviving a hard ball negotiation go up.
Yeeeeees. That's what's happening.
DiscoGary wrote:
A sleazy thing to do is to break the law and to drag your kids into it by forcing them to become lawbreakers themselves, leaving them without a home country. THAT'S SLEAZY! The parents who did this to their kids should be hammered with jail sentences. Damn irresponsible parents!
The dreamers never at any point broke the law, no matter what their parents did.
DiscoGary wrote:
Then you have sleazy Democrats trying to turn this criminal activity into a political win by trying to make it look like Republicans are responsible for the mess created by others. BIGLY SLEAZY!
Republicans are responsible for refusing to fix the problem. It doesn't matter who caused it. That's what congress is there for, to fix problems. But Republicans have refused to put a bill on the floor so they can use these innocent kids as a bargaining chip.
Spin it any way you want, Gary. If you think it's OK to deport innocent people then you are heartless.
Fat hurts wrote:
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Republicans are responsible for refusing to fix the problem. It doesn't matter who caused it.
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... and there's the perfect definition of liberalism .
DiscoGary wrote:
You don't get what's happening. Republicans want to pass it because they think they'll be called racists if they don't.
So you're saying they really don't want to pass it because they ARE compassionate, they want to pass it to LOOK compassionate.