Roses are red
Flea is a good bassist
Trump is a liar
And also a racist
Roses are red
Flea is a good bassist
Trump is a liar
And also a racist
I'm going out on a limb and say that Mueller has not even begun to share the boatloads of evidence that he and the FBI have gathered with regards to Russiagate. However, even a cursory look at what has been reported in the media indicates that there are numerous 'suspicious' connections between the Trump camp and Russia.
This month alone demonstrates that Mueller is in the final stages of the investigation, working his way to the top. With Bannon likely testifying before the end of the month and Mueller's desire to interview Trump, we're approaching the beginning of the end.
Flynn and Papadopoulos are already talking to the Feds. It's looking like Gates is ready to deal as well. Rumors are that Priebus, McGahn, and Bannon have all started to work with Mueller's team. Sater has likely flipped as well. I bet we'll learn that many others have already squealed on Donald. It's not looking good for Trump and associates.
Mueller time is fast approaching.
Trump is f*cked.
Country over party.
wait whaat wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
He might not find collusion (conspiracy). I think the chances of that are pretty low though at this point, but that IS the hardest of the things against him to get nailed down.
In order of probability:
1) Money Laundering and Obstruction of Justice tied for first place.
2) Perjury (if he actually talks to Mueller without some huge ridiculous restrictions...Trump just can not tell the truth, and it not suit him to tell the truth here because that would incriminate himself, so he will lie. That lie will be discovered and proven, so Perjury will be the charge.
3) Conspiracy against the United States. I believe that he has done this, but we will have to see if there's enough evidence to charge him with it. IF there isn't, I will state that he is innocent of that, and I won't even say that we all know he did it...I will simply accept the ruling of the investigators.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
You BELIEVE he has committed conspiracy? Based on what evidence?
Just wait for it. The DEEP STATE can manufacture whatever evidence THEY need!
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
Gary, I have a question for you and your fellow right wingers:
"Dreamers" are good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military. They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own -- brought in by parents at young age. Does anybody really want to throw them out? Really!?
If you answer "No," (you don't want to throw them out), then don't you think NOT getting a "deal on DACA" is bad and not a "win" ? And wouldn't you think that using the lives/future of these young, good, educated, accomplished people who have not done anything wrong as a bargaining chip would bad taste and immoral?
Inspired by truthseakr's focused approached I will answer as concisely as possible.
As long as chain immigration laws are still in place, granting amnesty to the "innocent" children of criminals will effectively reward the criminal parents by allowing them to stay or migrate here through chain migration. This will only encourage more illegal immigration indefinitely. If we end chain immigration and lock down the border, I am willing to grant amnesty to illegal children after some fixed number of years have gone by. If Democrats insist on encouraging illegal immigration by refusing to fund or support border security, and insist on keeping chain immigration on the books, then no way do I support EVER making these "children" legal citizens.
Damn! Too many words. I just can't do it.
Oh, and on average these "dreamers" aren't better then American born kids. So that angle won't work.
wait whaat wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
He might not find collusion (conspiracy). I think the chances of that are pretty low though at this point, but that IS the hardest of the things against him to get nailed down.
In order of probability:
1) Money Laundering and Obstruction of Justice tied for first place.
2) Perjury (if he actually talks to Mueller without some huge ridiculous restrictions...Trump just can not tell the truth, and it not suit him to tell the truth here because that would incriminate himself, so he will lie. That lie will be discovered and proven, so Perjury will be the charge.
3) Conspiracy against the United States. I believe that he has done this, but we will have to see if there's enough evidence to charge him with it. IF there isn't, I will state that he is innocent of that, and I won't even say that we all know he did it...I will simply accept the ruling of the investigators.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
You BELIEVE he has committed conspiracy? Based on what evidence?
There is not IRON CLAD evidence of this yet (that we know of and is public), but I do believe he has done it, and we will see if Mueller agrees. I think Mueller has stuff on Trump that we do not all know just yet.
Here is why I BELIEVE he has likely done it.
1) Don Jr., Manafort, and Kushner so gleefully taking that Trump Tower meeting with RUSSIANS wanting to give them dirt on Hillary Clinton. It is already helpful to the Russians when Trump Jr. responds, "If it's what you say it is, I love it, especially later in the summer." Tells them when to release the dirt. To ME, that is collusion right there, but, again, it has to rise to the level of a conspiracy charge, and I will be satisfied with whatever Mueller declares. It could be that the Conspiracy charge gets dropped if Trump cops to lesser (though still serious) charges. If that happens, I will STILL say that he was innocent of conspiracy, even if it is made clear that he did it but they are giving him a deal.
2) Bannon says there is no way that Trump didn't know about this meeting and that he likely met with them afterwards.
3) Shortly after the Trump Tower meeting, Trump gave a speech in which he said he would shortly release some damaging information on Hillary. The timing there is too great.
4) There are too many actors in and around the Trump administration who have connections with Russia and who have lied about Russia. Now, it COULD be that they all are guilty of financial crimes dealing with Russia, but I just don't think that's it. Someone somewhere (Trump likely) has been compromised and as part of that, they felt compelled to help Russia get Trump elected. Russia wanted it so that they could get rid of Obama-imposed sanctions and to have a patsy in the White House who would steer policy that favored or at least didn't hurt Russia.
5) Trump says constantly that "there was no collusion". Well, he is such a liar that I can not believe anything he says. He lies about everything else, including things that don't even matter, so why wouldn't he lie about this too? This is actually something to lie about.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wrote:
truthseakr wrote:
And after Mueller finds no collusion...
He might not find collusion (conspiracy). I think the chances of that are pretty low though at this point, but that IS the hardest of the things against him to get nailed down.
In order of probability:
1) Money Laundering and Obstruction of Justice tied for first place.
2) Perjury (if he actually talks to Mueller without some huge ridiculous restrictions...Trump just can not tell the truth, and it not suit him to tell the truth here because that would incriminate himself, so he will lie. That lie will be discovered and proven, so Perjury will be the charge.
3) Conspiracy against the United States. I believe that he has done this, but we will have to see if there's enough evidence to charge him with it. IF there isn't, I will state that he is innocent of that, and I won't even say that we all know he did it...I will simply accept the ruling of the investigators.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
What’s important here is the potential fallout. If enough heads in his circle roll it will become very difficult for him to remain influential and then he can kiss goodbye to re-election. I don’t think his involvement would have been very direct but a direct financial link could exist. Anything could happen though, he is dumb enough to lie to Mueller.
wait whaat wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
He might not find collusion (conspiracy). I think the chances of that are pretty low though at this point, but that IS the hardest of the things against him to get nailed down.
In order of probability:
1) Money Laundering and Obstruction of Justice tied for first place.
2) Perjury (if he actually talks to Mueller without some huge ridiculous restrictions...Trump just can not tell the truth, and it not suit him to tell the truth here because that would incriminate himself, so he will lie. That lie will be discovered and proven, so Perjury will be the charge.
3) Conspiracy against the United States. I believe that he has done this, but we will have to see if there's enough evidence to charge him with it. IF there isn't, I will state that he is innocent of that, and I won't even say that we all know he did it...I will simply accept the ruling of the investigators.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
You BELIEVE he has committed conspiracy? Based on what evidence?
That part is irrelevant, what was the reason for Bill’s impeachment? Lying under oath
Flagpole wrote:
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There is not IRON CLAD evidence of this yet (that we know of and is public), but I do believe he has done it,
....
... and this is the source of all your woes. You need to understand that "believing" something doesn't make it true.
"racist" "sexist" "moron" "bigot" "idiot"
I dunno man you guys keep saying that, doesnt it get old. I mean it didnt work during hte electiin obviously anf it doesn't wrkk now. u really think its gonna work? your free to keep using those labels but they dont work, it just hasnt worked at all. it just alienates millions of people and excuses lack of a policy. the dems should stop running or 'anti' this and actually come up with superior policies. the whole 'resist movement' has largely collapsed and now the russia investigation is in msot peoples eyes biased. if you exist in an echochamber where mueller is the man and everything trump does is hitlerian, than yea, it looks successful. but mostly it is failing and people getting all this good financial news in their paychecks, bonuses, taxes and investments just dont care about what a bunch of bitter rliberals are saying. about russia this and that. i think you should really stop it, just not a good look frankly and *most* people dont like sore losers :/
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
He might not find collusion (conspiracy). I think the chances of that are pretty low though at this point, but that IS the hardest of the things against him to get nailed down.
In order of probability:
1) Money Laundering and Obstruction of Justice tied for first place.
2) Perjury (if he actually talks to Mueller without some huge ridiculous restrictions...Trump just can not tell the truth, and it not suit him to tell the truth here because that would incriminate himself, so he will lie. That lie will be discovered and proven, so Perjury will be the charge.
3) Conspiracy against the United States. I believe that he has done this, but we will have to see if there's enough evidence to charge him with it. IF there isn't, I will state that he is innocent of that, and I won't even say that we all know he did it...I will simply accept the ruling of the investigators.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
What’s important here is the potential fallout. If enough heads in his circle roll it will become very difficult for him to remain influential and then he can kiss goodbye to re-election. I don’t think his involvement would have been very direct but a direct financial link could exist. Anything could happen though, he is dumb enough to lie to Mueller.
Just to be clear to everyone, I am NOT guaranteeing this, but I can't see Trump still in office for the 2020 election. He is so criminal and surrounds himself with such criminals. Felix Sater is a convicted criminal with ties to the Russian mob, and Trump has done deals with him...on the same side as him. Trump has connections to some really bad people. There is no freakin' way that he's the clean one among them. SOOO many people knew that Manafort and Flynn were bad people, and Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn. Trump has put himself in this position at a MINIMUM by associating with people who are unscrupulous. Are we supposed to believe he's the designated driver here?
DiscoGary wrote:
Inspired by truthseakr's focused approached I will answer as concisely as possible.
As long as chain immigration laws are still in place, granting amnesty to the "innocent" children of criminals will effectively reward the criminal parents by allowing them to stay or migrate here through chain migration. This will only encourage more illegal immigration indefinitely. If we end chain immigration and lock down the border, I am willing to grant amnesty to illegal children after some fixed number of years have gone by. If Democrats insist on encouraging illegal immigration by refusing to fund or support border security, and insist on keeping chain immigration on the books, then no way do I support EVER making these "children" legal citizens.
Damn! Too many words. I just can't do it.
Let me put it to you in a more focused way so you can give a focused "yes" or "no" answer.
If none of your conditions are met, should the dreamers be deported after March 5th ?
DiscoGary wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
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There is not IRON CLAD evidence of this yet (that we know of and is public), but I do believe he has done it,
....
... and this is the source of all your woes. You need to understand that "believing" something doesn't make it true.
Dude, you left out the part where I said if Mueller doesn't find anything, even if it's dropped and used as part of a plea bargain that I will accept Trump didn't collude. Soooo...there is not iron clad evidence yet because we don't know what Mueller has. So much smoke from what we DO know that is seems almost impossible at this point that conspiracy is not in the cards.
So, at this point, I have really no choice but to BELIEVE he has conspired. I am not guaranteeing anything on this point, and I submit that it is possible he didn't.
He WILL go down for something...Trump, the supposed deal maker, might make a deal to try to stay out of prison. Might be something like "I'll take a plea deal and plead guilty to money laundering and obstruction of justice if I don't have to plead guilty to Conspiracy." I could see that happening. Nothing is more important to Trump than his image of himself, and it would destroy him if he had to admit that he had Russia help him beat Hillary.
I don't need to be right. I never need to be right. If I felt that way, I would never make a prediction on anything. What I do have a need for is justice, and justice is coming. To be TRULY just, there shouldn't be any plea deals for Trump, and then after his punishment is handed down, Sarah Sanders and Kellyanne Conway should have to hang their heads in shame and apologize for their behavior and blind following of a bad bad person.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
Inspired by truthseakr's focused approached I will answer as concisely as possible.
As long as chain immigration laws are still in place, granting amnesty to the "innocent" children of criminals will effectively reward the criminal parents by allowing them to stay or migrate here through chain migration. This will only encourage more illegal immigration indefinitely. If we end chain immigration and lock down the border, I am willing to grant amnesty to illegal children after some fixed number of years have gone by. If Democrats insist on encouraging illegal immigration by refusing to fund or support border security, and insist on keeping chain immigration on the books, then no way do I support EVER making these "children" legal citizens.
Damn! Too many words. I just can't do it.
Let me put it to you in a more focused way so you can give a focused "yes" or "no" answer.
If none of your conditions are met, should the dreamers be deported after March 5th ?
Yes. If the Dems won't compromise, then follow the current law. Trump could win that battle. Just frame it the way I did, and call it the "Heartless Schumer's Deportation" or something like that to remind everyone why it's happening.
Mueller may be coming, but he’s not going to be able to pin anything on the Teflon Don -ald
That’s just the way it’s going to turn out for the Lowest Character POTUS of all time
DiscoGary wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
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There is not IRON CLAD evidence of this yet (that we know of and is public), but I do believe he has done it,
....
... and this is the source of all your woes. You need to understand that "believing" something doesn't make it true.
Unless Flagpole is part of Mueller's investigation team, then no one has seen all the evidence, not even Congressional committees. I'm sure he shares some, but there no way he's revealed all of his cards to ANYONE. Do you honestly think what we've heard or read about is the "evidence"? Arguably, what is public knowledge could practically indict Trump on obstruction of justice charges. He basically admitted it during his TV interview with Lester Holt. But, in the end, obstruction of justice will be the minor felony. The money laundering cases are going to be a slam dunk.
I'm going a step further than Flagpole as I think Mueller has more than 95% of the evidence he needs. He's just dotting his i's and crossing the t's at this point. He's flipping witnesses to make airtight cases. He's putting the squeeze on. The vast majority of those charged will not go to trial, but will be pleading guilty due to overwhelming evidence. Mueller probably doesn't even need to interview Trump, but he knows he can further his case by getting Trump to lie under oath.
Trump is f*cked.
Country over party.
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Let me put it to you in a more focused way so you can give a focused "yes" or "no" answer.
If none of your conditions are met, should the dreamers be deported after March 5th ?
Yes. If the Dems won't compromise, then follow the current law. Trump could win that battle. Just frame it the way I did, and call it the "Heartless Schumer's Deportation" or something like that to remind everyone why it's happening.
Let me just remind everyone that it is happening because the godless Trump ended the DACA program and set the March 5th deadline.
The dreamers have done nothing wrong. If you think it's OK to deport them under any circumstances, then you are the heartless one.
duderr wrote:
"racist" "sexist" "moron" "bigot" "idiot"
I dunno man you guys keep saying that, doesnt it get old. I mean it didnt work during hte electiin obviously anf it doesn't wrkk now. u really think its gonna work? your free to keep using those labels but they dont work, it just hasnt worked at all. it just alienates millions of people and excuses lack of a policy. the dems should stop running or 'anti' this and actually come up with superior policies. the whole 'resist movement' has largely collapsed and now the russia investigation is in msot peoples eyes biased. if you exist in an echochamber where mueller is the man and everything trump does is hitlerian, than yea, it looks successful. but mostly it is failing and people getting all this good financial news in their paychecks, bonuses, taxes and investments just dont care about what a bunch of bitter rliberals are saying. about russia this and that. i think you should really stop it, just not a good look frankly and *most* people dont like sore losers :/
No, those labels have absolutely worked, as evidenced by his horrible approval ratings. None of those labels will remove him from office, if that’s what you were fearing.
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
Yes. If the Dems won't compromise, then follow the current law. Trump could win that battle. Just frame it the way I did, and call it the "Heartless Schumer's Deportation" or something like that to remind everyone why it's happening.
Let me just remind everyone that it is happening because the godless Trump ended the DACA program and set the March 5th deadline.
The dreamers have done nothing wrong. If you think it's OK to deport them under any circumstances, then you are the heartless one.
Why won't the Democrats compromise to save them?
Fat hurts wrote:
Let me just remind everyone that it is happening because the godless Trump ended the DACA program and set the March 5th deadline.
Mr. Trump reversed the god complex Obama's executive order and left it up to Congress, where laws are made, as he should. M.A.G.A.
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Let me just remind everyone that it is happening because the godless Trump ended the DACA program and set the March 5th deadline.
The dreamers have done nothing wrong. If you think it's OK to deport them under any circumstances, then you are the heartless one.
Why won't the Democrats compromise to save them?
You guys haven't figured out that you've lost control of the "narrative". You can't just do lawless stuff and blame the consequences on Republicans without paying the price. Not with Trump anyway!
You no longer can fool most of the people for even 5 minutes. The world has changed and Democrats don't know how to deal with it.... which is exactly what I predicted would happen if Trump won.