Are "flat-earthers" an actual thing?

Can you legitimately not tell us apart by the way we write?

What was the lawsuit over? Can you post it?

Which type of hemoglobin? There are multiple types. What sorts of changes does it undergo? Also, note that Roleaux formation has nothing to do with hemoglobin

Why are the effects of RF on hemoglobin not seen on other systems that are more relevant to hemoglobin - e.g. O2 saturation? Is there any evidence that RF exposure causes the formation of autoantibodies?

No oxygen, but lots of ROS? Can you explain how ROS form without oxygen?

Why did you post a bunch of papers if you think that papers aren't necessary to prove anything?

Of course it does. But polarization itself does not cause light to be harmful. 1000W of nonpolarized light will probably roast your retina, but 1mW of fully polarized light won't hurt your retina at all.

Correct, I do. But I'm not sure you do

Can you elaborate on that statement?

I will post more comments on this paper later. My initial impression is that the authors poorly define what counts as a positive reaction. They state that "blood pressure, pulse rate, respiratory rate, temperature, sign and symptom scores, and autonomic nervous system functions" were monitored, but they do not say how, nor do they describe what the distribution of measurements looks like. How do we know the controls did not regularly go 20% over baseline? Instead of marking 20% as the cutoff, why did the not choose a number based on the stdev of the measurement distribution like they did with pupil dialation? Also, they don't justify their chioce of pupil dialation as a primary measurement - I am sure they have their reasons, but the significance of pupil dialation is opaque to me

Three other things about this paper concern me. First off, the authors admit that even they have been unable to reproduce their findings, even when using the same subjects. Secondly, they do not report any sort of correlation between specific symptoms and specific wavelengths. You state that

but this finding is not reported in the paper. Thirdly, their EMF measurements make no sense to me. There is no way that the enclosure they built to reduce background EMF does anything to block fields in the low-frequency part of the spectrum that they're testing. Also, they do not list the field strength they stimulated the patients with, and they report the background magnetic field at 20-200nT, but Earth's native magnetic field is 1000x stronger than that

The stuff about Bradford Hill is nice, but neither of us is interested in arguments from authority

I already posted the lawsuit. It's about anthropogenic EMFs causing EHS, cancer, every other death you name it....

All types of hemoglobin proteins as long as its protein. Changes? I'm don't study hemoglobin in the lab, I study radio waves lol! But a good guess would be carcinogenesis, that's like a no-brainer! Yes Rouleaux formation has everything to do with hemoglobin you didn't know? It indirectly affects what hemoglobin is called to do in the RBC.

I'm sure there are papers out there that show oxygen saturation levels affect by RF due to bad hemoglobin function. Why not? RF affects every single cell and organ you can imagine and this has been reproduced with such consistency or non-consistency it's become mundane. Yes of course, I'm sick of saying that RF causes every suspicion you can imagine including autoimmunity. I don't even need to show you a paper at this point in our discussion because it's becoming so blanket obvious that RF non-ionizing is beginning and end of life and death. Doesn't take a genius to know that by now.

Come on, you know I'm not talking about 0.000% oxygen saturation right? No need to be so defensive lol.....

The reason I think papers aren't necessary to prove anything is same reason why I don't like treating science the way lawyers treat the law. I'm not too obsessed with 'material' and 'objective' or 'evidence-based' claims in science like I am in law. I'm not in a court of law now in this discussion with you so I have no incentive to act so pious to 'material' or 'objective'. But I do have incentive to act far more morally/ethically because this trait or attribute seems to be lacking in this forum and also you!

Come on, polarized light don't come in single photons only! If natural or anthropogenic light is polarized, they are usually HIGHLY INTENSIVE or with many trillions of photons at one go! Stop splitting hairs, I know my stuff, I'm almost a William J Rea btw! Not boasting.......

How can I not know what polarization is when I'm almost a William J Rea?

Elaborate what? Frequency is information, vibration is information, energy is information. What explanation is there? Don't people know this already?

Why are you questioning the master of EMF and EHS research William J Rea? He is bible of this subject matter and we are like little pawns in the background. Do you mean that the doubts you raise and pose here he didn't already consider or knew about them 32 years ago? Come on, whatever your issues I'm sure these were addressed to reasonable satisfaction or otherwise. This man has been peer reviewed and cross referenced corroborated thousands of times after the fact, so what have you to worry about? You just need more time to ponder and digest that's all.

They did list the field strength as 2900nT or something. But they also did mention that they individualized and customized each EHS patient so I'm sure William J Rea knows what he's doing. He would apply some tailoring. I think the earth's magnetic field is attenuated by the steel-porcelain enclosure. He knows what to do again. Just chill out and enjoy the publication like I did!

I was unable to find a reference to the specific case in any of your posts. Would you mind telling me the case name?

I can tell

Hemoglobin has nothing to do with cancer formation

It does not have anything to do with hemoglobin. It is caused by fibrinogen and other plasma-soluble proteins. Hemoglobin is not found free in plasma in any appreciable amount. If you disagree, feel free to reference a source that says otherwise

Maybe, but I did a quick search and did not see any

Yes, I can tell

Single photons can certainly be polarized

The same is true for nonpolarized light. Also, a trillion photons is not very many - the computer screen you are looking at emits 1000x more than that every second

You seem unable or unwilling to describe what polarization is

You also seem unable or unwilling to describe what information is

I hope you find this discussion entertaining. I'm intrigued about how your mind works. I hope that my questions lead you to a more full understanding of the phenomena you are interested in

The FCC lawsuit case was in my first few posts. Not sure which article was that but I think I posted this one

villagenews.com

Historic Win': CHD Wins Case Against FCC on Safety Guidelines for 5G and Wireless

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Children's Health Defense (CHD) won a historic case in August against the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). The case challenged the agency's decision not to review its 1996 health and safety guidelines regarding wirele...

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Rouleaux, hemoglobin, RBC, blood plasma, these are all working in tandem to oxygenate or not oxygenate the heart and brain. I'm not a biologist but even I'm able to deduce and understand that there is no such thing as a part or function independent of another. If the brain and heart becomes sick, you blame the whole at once and not merely its individual parts and functions. This is why holistic medicine works better than allopathic (individualized medicine) in majority of cases except surgery. I would of course already know that hemoglobin is not a freely hanging protein duh!

There sure will be. And it can be in either direction or temporality. The cause can be the effect, and the effect in turn the cause in a loop cycle. So bad hemoglobin function can be susceptible to RF and RF also causes bad hemoglobin function. There should be papers about this. Just off the back of my mind millimeter waves in the 60Ghz region for 5G telecommunications technology had been shown a few years ago to prevent O2 from binding to hemoglobin. If I'm not wrong it was because 60Ghz was the resonant frequency of O2. Frequency is everything. It's information that destroys or builds.

The reason why I'm not that obsessed with 'evidence-based' claims is because I'm instructed and educated by Sir Austin Bradford Hill the master of causality to behave and think like so! He says evidence (depending on what) MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE necessary to impute a cause and effect relationship. And I believe him because he is the true master of science!

I'm tired of describing or defining what polarization is.

The mind of a radio engineer is always different from the rest of the world's professions. Dealing with radio physics and mathematics, we naturally see the world in different light. We see that radio spectrum is the most mysterious spectrum in the entire EM spectrum and its phenomena the same. It's also no surprise that the radio spectrum is the least known, most elusive and 'dark horse', and hence most under-rated out of all the other EM spectrum despite being far more ubiquitous in quantity in Mother Nature and biology than all the rest of the EM spectrum. Most of the resonant frequencies of Mother Nature all lie in the radiofrequency spectrum, that in itself tells you something very prophesizing (sacred) about these frequencies. Due to all these, I actually might be inclined to think and believe that there could be completely separate physical laws of behavior for RF compared to all the rest of the EM spectrum. It's just a hunch. And due to this also I find the standard model of physics to be vastly incomplete and inferior to such gaps I find. Well it's not only me who find such gaps, but a few other prominent ones before me who also find today's standard model of physics to be hogwash.

I have nothing left to understand about RF because it's impossible to understand this mysterious spectrum completely, if at all. It's too complex and the one actually intriguing, not my mind about it! Did you know radio can be infinitely more deadly than a nuclear bomb or detonation but yet at the same time also infinitely more therapeutic and life-giving than water or fresh air? That's the kinda insane mystery I'm talking about radio/RF! I'm not explaining further as it's too complicated.....

You both write long, tortuously detailed essays about RF issues. How can two people obsessed with this randomly show up here?

Will this discussion help solve the mystery of Earth's shape? I'm not seeing it. You are probably government operatives running interference, to shut the whole thing down.

How about this? The Earth's shape is intricately related to its electromagnetic field which is RF. So technically, some of the answers about the Earth's shape could be lost in all our arguments about RF.

But I'm not obsessed with RF, I just happen to be an RF engineer and a mad one at it! What I mean by mad is that I actually find my job very harmful to you guys whom I'm selling my radio waves to! I do mean that these waves actually kill you, to put it bluntly with no sugar-coating, and my conscience is always guilty for that. Maybe that is why I'm trying to make amends and atonement for my sins by educating you to avoid and use less RF. Always choose a WIRED ETHERNET connection for your health and safety, especially elite high-performing athletes.

While she is not a radio engineer but most likely a radiobiologist of some sort, I'm not too sure. There is some overlap of knowledge between us and so an argument ensued.

I will keep my 5G phone as far away from me as I can when I sleep at night or put it under a copper cover for protection.

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA389123.pdf

The Earth is flat.

Honest opinion, that's not gonna be enough. The phone needs to be completely switched off and wrapped around with copper or foil. I'm a radio engineer and latest phone models have secondary batteries that don't turn off when you turn off the phone. So key transmitters still emit in loads even if you thought you turned it off. Unless you place the phone a mile away from your house is a different story. Best to do as I say, and turn off all WiFi transmitters and repeaters as well, TVs, anything that comes with a transmitter for a start. You can still leave your electrical power on. Just deal with the wireless first.

That case says nothing about the validity of the claims that RF affects human health - only that the FCC should revisit their original findings from 1996 just in case, which they did. The FCC did not find any reason to change their original safety guidelines regarding RF exposure. I have linked these guidelines in a prior post

Roleaux plays no role in oxygenating the heart or brain

Yes I can tell

Sure, this is true, but only in a trivial sense. It does not give you any real power to predict or describe biological phenomena

Well there aren't

Yes, O2 does absorb a 60GHz radiation. The absorption of a radio photon flips the spin of an electron in the same way that a MRI machine flips the spin of a hydrogen's electron. However, there is no evidence that suggests that this spin flip has any effect on the oxidation of hemoglobin. And even if it did, it would not pose a health hazard because the oxygen in the air around you would absorb the 60GHz waves long before they hurt you

How can you be tired of doing something you never did?

If you have a better model, why not go out there and make money off of your ideas? Surely your updated model can enable you to build novel devices and equipment

Something is insane here, but I don't think it's RF

Why did you even buy a 5G phone if you think it's dangerous

I won't allow you to control the lines of logic in your favor. That case shall not say nothing about the validity of claims that RF affects human health unless the court found it significant enough to order a revisit again! You put the stress on the FCC, but I shall put the stress on the supreme court to cancel you out! Both of our arguments at this juncture has nothing scientific about it, it's all moral/ethical persuasion.

Yes I did say to oxygenate or NOT oxygenate the blood.

You need to tell us your exact profession so that we can size you up better. It better be something more insane than radio.

Oh really? If you think that all the parts and functions are not inextricably linked up like a train to one another to serve the whole or some greater abstract principle then I can only assure you that your ROS experiment on a caged and uncaged axonal nerve cell is also going to be equally unfruitful and questionable. Ever heard of the saying that the 'greater the specificity also the greater the delusion'?! If you can disprove all the publications I sent you then any scientist can also equally disprove all of yours. Then my question to you would be how shall science progress in this way? Well science should always progress in the direction of the whole picture and so I'm gonna treat specificity with a pinch of salt and be selective about it.

Well you should try finding again and again. Even if there really is none and you are pointed a pistol to your head and forced to give an answer as if your life depends on it you always give an answer in favor of there being harmful effects of anthropogenic RF on human biology because it's always the PROBABLY RIGHT ANSWER. It's become engraved law to be this way, this you must understand. Not everything needs to be so pedantic!

Nah so what if the O2 in the air absorbed it first. You would still breathe it in drones.

Nah to know something is one thing and to be allowed to bring in an alternative theory into this corrupt scientific world is virtually impossible. It's always easier to act within your means. I would probably build a device that consumes zero petrol of any sort and use only RF energy from the endogenous earth environment.

You don't really know what RF is my friend, and you should never wanna know it's full power! Not that I know it all that well too despite being an RF engineer. They say nuclear power and radiation kills the most severely right? Well, they had never known the real extent of power of RF. RF doesn't kill, it ceases existence!

RF is the most existentially dangerous and threatening spectrum in the entire EM spectrum, not gamma or X rays or Beta/Alpha. I don't need to fully understand what I say in order to say it given the infinite extent of knowledge and power of RF. If I waited till I fully understood this infinity then I would need to live forever till same infinity to work at it hence never die a physical death.

Again, this is trivially true. If you claim that something either does or doesn't have an effect on something, of course you are going to be correct one way or the other, but you lose all predictive power. Roleaux plays a role in not oxygenating blood in the same way that it doesn't play a role in a Broadway musical or doesn't play a role in determining the color of blue paint

I do biotech R&D. Explaining what I actually do would take a few paragraphs. My qualifications aren't relevant to my claims though. The stuff I'm saying is all basic textbook science and can be easily verified by a few minutes of googling. What sort of RF engineering do you do? You mention above that you feel guilty about it - I can imagine that does bother you a bit. Do you work for a comm company?

Again, this argument undermines your position. If you don't think that experiments can yield reliable predictions of physical phenomena, why post any scientific literature?

No I haven't

The waves would be absorbed by the O2 in the air before they hit your body in the same way that a faraday cage absorbs RF waves before they hit your body. When O2 absorbs 60GHz radiation, its electrons flip their spin for a picosecond. By the time the O2 has traveled into your lungs and bound to hemoglobin, it is no longer in its spin-flipped state

You should try that! It would probably be a big seller

Then why aren't we all dead?

And yet you still work on radio systems for a living, right? How do you go to work without being scared?

I know the dangers of shorter-wave RF and so do a lot of others. Maybe that would rate its own thread. It's a hot political issue.

You said it right. It's indeed a political issue, not a scientific one! The science of RF is proven beyond any reasonable doubt even without a confirmed physical/biological mechanism because there are other factors that constitute this proof and they weigh disproportionately stronger as a whole compared to the physical mechanism factor.

Valjean doesn't seem to understand this or maybe she does but is trying to test my response.

RF long and short are all bad so it's not only just the short or GHz ones. Everything from 0-300Ghz if it's anthropogenic there will be a problem.

Nah, I'm not a biologist but I know Rouleaux isn't that superficial in not oxygenating a blood. Try cluttering your blood and and increasing its viscosity and see if you find it easier to breathe or pump blood and oxygen.

I troubleshoot and improve modern telecommunications systems, make it better, stronger, more powerful, faster, basically make you folks happier and satiated........until you die from it that is! I'm not a good person to be around because of the amount of death I engender. Yes I do, comms companies are very wealthy btw. Ever heard of Vodafone and T-Mobile?

Didn't you read what I just wrote about RF EMF? RF is the only kind of experimentation in the world that would never yield reliable predictions of anything yet still be super reliable. Get the drift?! It seems fickle this RF but it isn't. But the problem is Mother Nature is all about RF so every other experimentation in the world not directly related to RF would have to pass through the doors of RF to be vetted and certified reliable. Supposing you are doing some experiment in biotech, just any perhaps about pacemakers for the heart, then if those experiments didn't take into account ambient environmental RF exposure then it's an obsolete and null one. RF has the final say in all things. Supposing you are doing some experiment with human behavior you also must factor in ambient RF exposure, cumulative RF exposure etc into your experiment to get reliable results because everything boils down to RF as factor of all factors.

These are words of advice from a radio engineer so you are unlikely to find it off Google search engine.

O2 can reflip at any time, you can bet on that. As long as the 60Ghz don't stop transmitting. It will hunt down every last O2.

It's called free energy theory, originated from the Great Physics Engineer Nikola Tesla. Check out his electropropulsion, completely RF powered from ambient environment or powered from 'nothing'. That would be disallowed in our politically corrupt society.

We aren't all dead because it's simply not time yet duh! Doesn't mean you have an apocalyptic weapon equals to dying immediately. A lot of factors have to align for these weapons to be used. It's not that easy to die you know? But you can be sure RF has more unearthed power and energy than gamma or nuclear radiation. The latter burns you alive but the former doesn't burn nor maim and injure which leaves traces of its presence, but RF negates you in a manner that leaves no trace whatsoever. Ever heard of stories of a man or woman appearing all happy, forward-looking and zest for life one moment and literally 1 hour later be found dead at the foot of a tall building with a suicide note in his pocket? That's closer to the kinds of death I'm talking about, deaths that 'don't make sense' or 'leave no trace of its impending arrival' the way burning, injuring and maiming does. Whenever you encounter or read something in the news that make no sense, perhaps a senseless murder, you immediately attribute it to RF first and only because only RF has that ability to induce senseless and illogical human events.

I go to work without being scared because I have the Good Lord watching over me. You gotta be sincere, serious and faithful in your obedience to God. The spirit is the substrate of the physics. Physics doesn't hold together by itself without an underlying layer of glue called the soul. Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Maxwell, Nikola Tesla would tend to agree with me. And you always trust these men because they are the creme de la creme of the earth's geniuses.

True, he needs to switch it out for a 4G one instead. It's only slightly better in terms of harmful health effects but mostly the same. So best advice is use when you need to and turn it off its power switch once you are not. Your life would be a series of turning on and off as a result but beneficial for you in the long run.

I personally don't use my mobile data at all, not 3G, 4G nor 5G. I wire up my phone with an ethernet cord directly to the modem or router and just use internet in this manner. I then make calls using only the internet and don't rely on voice subscriptions at all because I have none. When I leave the house I may use 3G or 4G data (no voice) only when I need it and will turn it off once I'm not using.

Two quotes:

“Much Ado About Nothing” -W.S.

”A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting in its shoes.” -M. Twain

Yes, that is my point

Does all the death you've caused weigh on you?

Fascinating! But wait - isn't all that ambient RF dangerous?

Yeah I hear this happens all the time. People make calls on their cell phones or warm up their soup in the microwave or walk outside on a sunny day and... poof! they vanish

Ah so radio waves pushed him off the building. That makes sense

But you are using a computer, and the computer's electrical system emits RF. Do you also roll around in a metal mesh ball so you don't get exposed to radio towers and bluetooth signals from passing cars?