Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

I get where you're coming from, SB, I really do. Yes, they could have worn a tracker if they wanted to. Yes, the could update the route map. But, what if they believe they are doing more than enough to illustrate that they are doing it? What if they don't care if WC is questioning the HR data...because WG knows that he is running every step. The fact that they are not trying to explain their way out may be the strongest evidence that this is legit. If you were trying to cover something up, you would start trying to cover their tracks which they haven't done. They have stayed consistent throughout.

WC has made it appear that they are waking up thinking about him and going to sleep thinking about him. Do you really think that WG and the crew care at all about the small percentage of people here on LR that are questioning his efforts? My guess is no. If you know what you are doing is being done the right way and with more than enough proof, you don't pay attention to the doubters.

I am confident this will be an unpopular belief and I'll quickly get down votes. I don't care about that. I have attempted to state unpopular thoughts, questions, and challenges on here since page 2.

Got it. So, as long as you believe it, you can state anything you want no matter how blasphemous it might me.

I do not, in fact, believe they are "up to something." I am sorry if that isn't forgivable to you. But, I won't waver in my beliefs just because they are unpopular to a large % of LR, but miniscule to a large % of the rest of those following this journey. I do not believe it is wrong for them to have sponsors...I do not believe it is wrong for WG to have a support crew...I do not believe there is/will be any fraud towards the charities...I do not believe it's impossible for him to do this because he isn't built the way "some" think is the only way for an endurance athlete to be...I do not believe they are muling the watch...I do not believe the HR is such a "case blower" as WC is making it out to me. If I am naïve because I don't believe these things, so be it.

Ok, but if they have had their configuration wrong for the 14,000ks of these events, it doesn't explain how they have it perfect: outside them, or when I write them letters, or on day 1s, or when racing during the events, or when I observe, or even yesterday, which looks fine, after things have been coming to the boil on here.

And also why no emotional or intellectual curiousity over those four years and 14,000ks, by two different runners about why their both HR monitors keep spewing out total garbage and no credible pulse? I know it'd really bother me, as keeping your heart under control is sacrosanct at events like these. WG asked Charlie Grice to slow down on their run for instance, because his heart was moving into the red zone, and he wanted to stop that.

I've been following this thread since the beginning. YouTube suggested the first Audacious Report (or whatever they call themselves) video to me when they were starting. As a participant in multi-day races, although never having done a TC, I was interested.

I think this is a correct assessment. They believe they are doing more than enough to illustrate that they are doing it.

But illustrate to who? To the masses. They don't care about people here, they don't care about people who have run transcon. They don't care about the FKT community. They don't care about the Laz Lakes. They care about people who will watch their videos, buy their merch, and follow their next exploits.

For myself, I don't trust the results of this adventure. Others have convinced me that there is just too much that smells funky. But they certainly don't care what we think.

That is the very definition of bad faith, yes correct. It is not arguing in bad faith as long as you sincerely believe it. Doesn't matter how crazy or incorrect it is.

I said that's easily forgivable. It's less forgivable if you are arguing in bad faith.

Hmmm, the people who have run their entire lives vs someone relatively new to running trying to make a career off of social media? Tough choice on who to believe. There's lots of idiots on these boards, but there's plenty of strong evidence with no legitimate rebuttals regarding this fishy scenario.

Okay we actually agree here. The vast majority of long distance FKTs are supported. There's supported and unsupported categories for these things. I don't care about the sponsors.

Total TBD. I would never donate to a GoFundMe for an influencer who says they'll give it to charity. I've donated to friends and family through GoFundMe where I know that money won't be misused. I've donated straight to charities. You can set up your GoFundMe to display the fact that the money will go to the charity of your choosing and they automatically do it. Will's team didn't do that. They just said in the description that it will go to them. Major red flag.

I never said it was impossible. But you're 100% wrong about the fact that build and genetics don't play a huge part in sports. I spelled it out in painstaking detail. He does not have the build of an elite distance athlete, it's as simple as that. There are freak outliers, so it's possible, just extremely unlikely.

I have no idea what they're actually doing. The heart rate is extremely bizarre and would be such an easy thing for them to rectify. The fact that they don't do this is crazy and probably the most damning thing to me.

Well, at least you finally admitted it.

Reminds me of Matt Choi. A very popular running influencer who gives out some good and some bad advice. He's clearly new to the sport. He recently wore someone else's bib in a race and posted tons of videos of himself wearing it. I personally don't care one bit about banditting races, but to post videos showing the bib and thinking you could get away with it shows how insanely unaware and out of touch these people can be. I think Goodge is somewhat similar.

Goodge won't care what the LRC nerds think. But I suspect someone will find a smoking gun that's easier to explain than nonsensical HR data to non-runners, that will lead to lot of bad press. Who knows what happens after that. They'll probably say sorry and move on and act like it never happened.

Indeed. There needs to be an element of deceit or duplicitous nous. knowing that the angle you are taking is fake, to get an undeserved response.

So, for example, suggesting sweetly you could write to wg with concerns, when we all know they will be ignored.

Or, continuing to answer posts like you were born yesterday.

A) I did not say "sweetly." I said in a non-accusatory way. This is different than the approach that WC took. This is more in the way that Laz took when going to evaluate R Young. Ever heard of the saying "you get more bees with honey?" It isn't fake if you are attempting to verify. If, however, you are doing it to "prove" it is fake, well then it would be in bad faith.
Sorry, I don't take your pessimistic approach to responding to posts. Sorry you don't like how I respond. I'll say this yet again...if all you want to read is post from everyone that agrees with your skepticism, then create a closed group so you can all banter about without being challenged. Since this is an open thread, I shall continue to challenge and question assumptions. I'm not going away. Your dismissive 'born yesterday' comment won't make me curl up and cry myself to sleep. Sorry, not sorry.

I think even that definition is problematic because it is very close to "It's not a lie if you believe it". The problem is that people are very good at fooling themselves and selectively ignoring evidence they don't like and at some level people know they are doing that.

As I've also said before. Perhaps these long journey type events are the only ones when they have Garmin/coros, whoop and apple iphone going all at once. Maybe that is why it only happens at these events. I don't know. But I am curious about this point.

Maybe they are just faking the Strava data. There are apps like iMoveGo to create fake routes and gpx files can be edited to include updated time stamps and hr data. Just create a fake file and you can nap in the support vehicle. Maybe they are just using hr data from when they are sitting around all day and plugging that in to the file as it is easier to do.

Hahaha … have you really convinced yourself that you are some justice warrior relentlessly challenging the LR mob?

Give me a break.

I refuse to believe that Recruiter is a true believer if he fails to produce evidence of his purchase of a year subscription to NuCalm. (Only $49.99 per month!)

The tracker is sitting on Forge Hill Rd for 2 hours and it has covered 49 miles. Someone ask the team why they don't update the route so his many fans can waive palm branches as he enters the city on donkey. I don't know how to contact him and I am sure he won't speak to a nobody like me. After all, he is a big shot model influencer and fu**king leader of the world in mileage on Strava.

So why has no one from this thread tan with the guy for a week?

Because all of you, including Cockerell, have shown you have zero social skills interacting with people outside of your basement.

All you skinny runners who can barely lift a grocery bag must have not heard of heavy weight triathlete World Champion Kristian Blummenfelt that can run down scrawny track specialists. Face it, all transcon records are weak. There are tons of muscular triathletes that could take down the transcon and Jogle records

Cockerell has the social skills equivalent to an armadillo. But it’s ok because he has a 2:30 marathon pb from years ago which he posts about constantly!

Hi Folks. Update to provide:

The WA governing body has just adjourned its final meeting to provide a definitive decision on the case. In a 6-0 ruling, Mr. Goodge’s run has been disqualified due to lack of sufficient tracking in accordance with governing body regulations. The governing body has advised the run is not permitted to be published as “completed” in any official publication or periodicals under WA’s governance. The minutes from the meeting will be published by the technical director tomorrow to media outlets.

The WA Technical Director has advised Mr. Goodge retains the right to appeal to the CAS tribunal should he be feel compelled.

Or maybe it's because we have jobs.

This is actually a very obvious answer. People that ask the question must be throwing in this red herring doing in bad faith.

Do you seriously believe this? If so, you clearly know about as much about multiday running as the daftie Recruiter 57.