L L wrote:
Flake news
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/jeff-flake-donald-trump-white-house-congress/index.html
Such bold words. What nerve! What backbone! Jeff Flake do WHATEVER IT TAKES to stop Donald Trump's destruction of our democracy. Short of actually voting against any legislation/nominees Trump supports, I mean.
I don't know of anyone who lives up to their name quite as well as Senator Flake.
Flagpole wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Of course you don't. I mean why believe the MD that administered the test, interacts with him day to day? You must be clairvoyant and/or a PhD Psychologist with academic training in such types of tests.
You are misunderstanding my statement. I am not saying I don't believe it. I'm saying I don't care one way or the other about it. It matters not to me if Trump is making horrible decisions and lying his a$$ off and saying racist things because he is crazy or not. It only matters to me that he is doing those things. You need to read with a little more carefulness.
I can read just fine. The results of the "stupid" cognitive test indicates your disdain for the test and the Administrator of said test, IE the MD, OR that you're a licensed professional qualified to question the validity. Which you're clearly not. Your answer that "you don't care" indicates that your interpretation of his actions are designed to fit the narrative you and others on the far left espouse. There is no other narrative that will suffice, except the one you believe..........and absent of evidence. So the reality is that there is nothing, no degree of evidence to the contrary, or even exoneration that that will make this change. So sad for you.
Flagpole wrote:
Regarding that stupid cognitive test that Trump took...I don't really care too much about the results of that. Not all insane people will perform badly on that test. I'm not even suggesting that Trump is clinically insane, and I don't need for him to have an excuse for his unhinged behavior.
A plane with a screw loose can still fly and land.
I'm much more concerned with Trump's behavior than looking for any cause of it.
He's a serial liar. He is criminal to the nth degree. He is clearly obstructing justice. Russia has him under its thumb, and that is unacceptable for a US President.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
hey maybe if you keep saying it it'll be true. or perhaps you'll just BTFO yourself like last time
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Apple is repatriating $350 billion to the US & and will hire 20K additional workers.
Cool story, bro. You had better check out the last time there was a tax holiday. It was a special dividends party. I'm sure this time it will be different.
Low tax rate results in higher tax revenue while socialists like you cry at the reality. Trump is growing this economy faster than the last 4 administrations.
To be fair to Flake, he's voting for legislation that he does like.
He may not like Trump but he's still a Republican who favors the rich and would prefer to suppress minorities while acting like he cares about them.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
There is plenty of data supporting collusion. From Trump Jr's joyous welcoming of Russians at Trump Tower to Jared Kushner's desire for a back channel to the Kremlin, to the numerous other meetings between Trump campaign officials and friends of Putin, it's pretty clear what was going on.
This was the tally I found as of November 22:
* At least 12 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition
* There were at least 19 face-to-face interactions with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures
* There were at least 51 communications -- meetings, phone calls, email exchanges and more.
* This flies in the face of at least nine blanket denials from Trump world of ANY contacts with Russia
Collusion has already been proven. But "collusion" is not a crime in and of itself. So we are just waiting to find out who committed what crimes. We already have four indictments and two convictions. There's much more to come.
Collusion has not been proven, nor will it. Contact or calls, etc are only "collusion" if the intent, by both parties was to swing the election one way or another and plans were put into place with the full cooperation of both parties. Seems to me that the collusion charge would be more applicable to the so called "piss tape", provided by Fusion GPS and financed by the HRC campaign and the DNC, which apparently HRC was in control of. And was allegedly used to procure the warrant for Trumps campaign wiretaps to collect damaging information. All under false pretense, and apparently with the cooperation of the FBI. I'm also wondering how many meetings, calls, etc. had taken place with other country's leaders. That's not a unique situation, mutually exclusive to Russia.
I don't feel like educating you today, but you have some facts wrong there and you are simply in denial.
Collusion isn't the only thing that Trump is facing. He's a bad man, and you should not root for a bad man to go unpunished.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
You are misunderstanding my statement. I am not saying I don't believe it. I'm saying I don't care one way or the other about it. It matters not to me if Trump is making horrible decisions and lying his a$$ off and saying racist things because he is crazy or not. It only matters to me that he is doing those things. You need to read with a little more carefulness.
I can read just fine. The results of the "stupid" cognitive test indicates your disdain for the test and the Administrator of said test, IE the MD, OR that you're a licensed professional qualified to question the validity. Which you're clearly not. Your answer that "you don't care" indicates that your interpretation of his actions are designed to fit the narrative you and others on the far left espouse. There is no other narrative that will suffice, except the one you believe..........and absent of evidence. So the reality is that there is nothing, no degree of evidence to the contrary, or even exoneration that that will make this change. So sad for you.
[sigh]. You are exhausting, brother. I don't have disdain for the test. Its intent is to see if someone is starting down the path toward dementia, and he passed it, so whoopee! As I have so clearly said twice now, I don't care if he passed the test or not, and I am not saying he is mentally unfit (perhaps morally unfit though) to serve as President. I don't care if he passes any other more intrusive test. I only care about his actions, not the reasons for them. His actions as President are abhorrent, and whether he is mentally unstable, has a lack of a filter and good judgement, or is just a plain old a$$hole, it doesn't matter to me. It only matters that he be removed from office as soon as possible.
I THINK he will not make it to the 2020 election, but I am not guaranteeing that.
I THINK he will be impeached and convicted or he will resign before that process is through due to obstruction of justice, money laundering, likely perjury, and possibly conspiracy against the United States.
While it is important for the US and the world that he be removed from office, I will take him losing in 2020 as a good thing as long as the investigation still continues if they haven't reached a conclusion (well, honestly even without that...he just needs to be gone). I hope that they don't abandon the chase of Trump if Trump doesn't win a second term.
Trump is clearly guilty of something or else he wouldn't be instructing Bannon what to say to Congress, firing Comey, involving himself where ever possible to try to stop or curtail this investigation.
Trump - serial liar, criminal, racist, overall horrible human being.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
L L wrote:
To be fair to Flake, he's voting for legislation that he does like.
He may not like Trump but he's still a Republican who favors the rich and would prefer to suppress minorities while acting like he cares about them.
Truth. He also donated $100 to Doug Jones as a show against Roy Moore. I'm not for everything Flake is for, but at least he has a line of decency that he will not cross. Good for him. I can respect Republicans when they behave properly.
Shakey Petey wrote:
The reality is Flagpole, a man of small stature, pompously guaranteed that Trump would not win the presidency and was proved to be a fraud. You would think that he would have gained some humility from that experience, but, alas, he never learned. He has been pompously guaranteeing that Trump was done and Mueller would get him. Instead, after many months, Mueller has come up empty with Trump and what started out as delving into Russian collusion turned into a fishing expedition. Yet, Mueller has come up empty. Flagpole, take your pole and go away. Permanently. Thanks in advance.
Flagpole: 273
Shakey Petey & Associates: 0
Fat hurts wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
OR.............perhaps there isn't any, which is much more likely. if you have data that supports your obvious assumption, please share it.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
There is plenty of data supporting collusion. From Trump Jr's joyous welcoming of Russians at Trump Tower to Jared Kushner's desire for a back channel to the Kremlin, to the numerous other meetings between Trump campaign officials and friends of Putin, it's pretty clear what was going on.
This was the tally I found as of November 22:
* At least 12 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition
* There were at least 19 face-to-face interactions with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures
* There were at least 51 communications -- meetings, phone calls, email exchanges and more.
* This flies in the face of at least nine blanket denials from Trump world of ANY contacts with Russia
Collusion has already been proven. But "collusion" is not a crime in and of itself. So we are just waiting to find out who committed what crimes. We already have four indictments and two convictions. There's much more to come.
Dude...That's all normal for a campaign....Did you check how many times the Hilary camp did the same? No? lol....
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Seems to me that the collusion charge would be more applicable to the so called "piss tape", provided by Fusion GPS and financed by the HRC campaign and the DNC, which apparently HRC was in control of.
Is that really what you think happened? We don't even know for sure if the "piss tape" exists. But if it does, it was not provided by Fusion GPS. It was allegedly created by the Russian government.
Fusion GPS hired Steele to do research. In the course of his research, informants told him about the tape along with a lot of other dirt.
There are a lot more details you should become familiar with. Looks like you are getting a lot of facts mixed up.
truthseakr wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
There is plenty of data supporting collusion. From Trump Jr's joyous welcoming of Russians at Trump Tower to Jared Kushner's desire for a back channel to the Kremlin, to the numerous other meetings between Trump campaign officials and friends of Putin, it's pretty clear what was going on.
This was the tally I found as of November 22:
* At least 12 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition
* There were at least 19 face-to-face interactions with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures
* There were at least 51 communications -- meetings, phone calls, email exchanges and more.
* This flies in the face of at least nine blanket denials from Trump world of ANY contacts with Russia
Collusion has already been proven. But "collusion" is not a crime in and of itself. So we are just waiting to find out who committed what crimes. We already have four indictments and two convictions. There's much more to come.
Dude...That's all normal for a campaign....Did you check how many times the Hilary camp did the same? No? lol....
That's not remotely normal. Campaign officials from previous campaigns and from both parties have been asked about it repeatedly. Nobody thinks it's normal.
And if it's normal and no big deal, why did everyone in the Trump camp deny having ANY contacts? Why did they all seem to forget about those contacts and leave them off their FBI security clearance forms?
It's not normal and the Trump people know it. That's why they lied.
Yes, Flake has a way he leans politically but doesn't seem leave him morally bankrupt to get his policies passed.
He can agree with some of Trump's policies while still finding Trump vile and corrupt as a person. Same with his view of Roy Moore.
Flagpole wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
[quote]Flagpole wrote:
[quote]OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
[quote]Flagpole wrote:
Regarding that stupid cognitive test that Trump took...I don't really care too much about the results of that. Not all insane people will perform badly on that test. I'm not even suggesting that Trump is clinically insane, and I don't need for him to have an excuse for his unhinged behavior.
A plane with a screw loose can still fly and land.
I'm much more concerned with Trump's behavior than looking for any cause of it.
He's a serial liar. He is criminal to the nth degree. He is clearly obstructing justice. Russia has him under its thumb, and that is unacceptable for a US President.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
[sigh]. You are exhausting, brother. I don't have disdain for the test. Its intent is to see if someone is starting down the path toward dementia, and he passed it, so whoopee! As I have so clearly said twice now, I don't care if he passed the test or not, and I am not saying he is mentally unfit (perhaps morally unfit though) to serve as President. I don't care if he passes any other more intrusive test. I only care about his actions, not the reasons for them. His actions as President are abhorrent, and whether he is mentally unstable, has a lack of a filter and good judgement, or is just a plain old a$$hole, it doesn't matter to me. It only matters that he be removed from office as soon as possible.
I THINK he will not make it to the 2020 election, but I am not guaranteeing that.
I THINK he will be impeached and convicted or he will resign before that process is through due to obstruction of justice, money laundering, likely perjury, and possibly conspiracy against the United States.
While it is important for the US and the world that he be removed from office, I will take him losing in 2020 as a good thing as long as the investigation still continues if they haven't reached a conclusion (well, honestly even without that...he just needs to be gone). I hope that they don't abandon the chase of Trump if Trump doesn't win a second term.
Trump is clearly guilty of something or else he wouldn't be instructing Bannon what to say to Congress, firing Comey, involving himself where ever possible to try to stop or curtail this investigation.
Trump - serial liar, criminal, racist, overall horrible human being.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Now you're backtracking. If you think Trump won't make 2020, impeached/convicted, then Mueller isn't necessarily coming and Trump isn't necessarily done.
Ok, got it.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
[sigh]. You are exhausting, brother. I don't have disdain for the test. Its intent is to see if someone is starting down the path toward dementia, and he passed it, so whoopee! As I have so clearly said twice now, I don't care if he passed the test or not, and I am not saying he is mentally unfit (perhaps morally unfit though) to serve as President. I don't care if he passes any other more intrusive test. I only care about his actions, not the reasons for them. His actions as President are abhorrent, and whether he is mentally unstable, has a lack of a filter and good judgement, or is just a plain old a$$hole, it doesn't matter to me. It only matters that he be removed from office as soon as possible.
I THINK he will not make it to the 2020 election, but I am not guaranteeing that.
I THINK he will be impeached and convicted or he will resign before that process is through due to obstruction of justice, money laundering, likely perjury, and possibly conspiracy against the United States.
While it is important for the US and the world that he be removed from office, I will take him losing in 2020 as a good thing as long as the investigation still continues if they haven't reached a conclusion (well, honestly even without that...he just needs to be gone). I hope that they don't abandon the chase of Trump if Trump doesn't win a second term.
Trump is clearly guilty of something or else he wouldn't be instructing Bannon what to say to Congress, firing Comey, involving himself where ever possible to try to stop or curtail this investigation.
Trump - serial liar, criminal, racist, overall horrible human being.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Now you're backtracking. If you think Trump won't make 2020, impeached/convicted, then Mueller isn't necessarily coming and Trump isn't necessarily done.
Ok, got it.
Nope. Don't let your hope cloud your view, brother. Mueller is coming, and the clown is done. There just isn't a timetable for this. Could be before the 2020 election or after. I will patiently wait for Mueller to do his work.
Make no mistake...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Put the money in an escrow account with the Brothers Johnson and we'll talk. Otherwise, fukk off.
EPlC Flagpole wrote:
The MSM owns your mind. You are now fully in puppet stage. Sad.
Nothing Bannon says is going to incriminate anyone. Want to put money on it, little guy?
No one is coming for anyone.
However... oh yes...
Flagpole WILL BLOW HIS BRAINS OUT OVER POTUS45, DONALD J TRUMP!!!
Ticky, ticky.
truthseakr wrote:
Dude...That's all normal for a campaign....Did you check how many times the Hilary camp did the same? No? lol....
I'm no Clinton fan, but comparing Clinton to the Trump team antics with Russia is NOT the same. Not even close.
'truthseakr' - oh, the irony. To you and the other deniers, the information you seek is out there. Unfortunately, your tribalism has limited your ability to see the truth. Actually, I think you're afraid of the truth and you're avoiding seeking out the truth.
Old SMTC SOB, enough with the Trump talking points regarding the investigation. FISA warrants are not based on a 'dossier' that Steele acknowledges is a collection of raw intelligence, which will include information that will proven false and information that will ring true. Russia is the master of 'deza' and 'kompromat'. The pee tape likely doesn't exist, but I guarantee there is more incriminating information about Trump and his associates.
Both left and right extremes gave us Trump, but, this is not going to end well for Trump and his associates. Ditto for the GOP party, some (many) Dems, members of the media, and others. This is YUGE. Ironically, the left-leaning media will also be complicit. Why was information about Trump's ties to the Russia mafia not given the press it deserves?
Russia punked the U.S. The other irony is Trumpers have become sympathetic to Russia. You and the Dems should have listened to Romney's warnings about Putin. Both sides were played. Most of us, regardless of political leanings, were played.
Bannon has likely already flipped. Do you realize how f*cked Trump is at this time?! Not to mention Jr., Ivanka, and Kush!
Fortunately, in the end, the result could be a stronger Republic. Americans, left, right, middle, had become too complacent. Russia took advantage of us.
Country over party.
Shut up, Flagpole. You spout off about Trump being a "serial liar" and "criminal" and all sorts of other nonsense, when you supported HILLARY F***NG CLINTON to be President. Whatever faults Trump has, multiply them times 10 and you may then get a sense of how rotten Hillary is.
Mueller may be looking at charges himself over Uranium One.
Well now wrote:
Shut up, Flagpole. You spout off about Trump being a "serial liar" and "criminal" and all sorts of other nonsense, when you supported HILLARY F***NG CLINTON to be President. Whatever faults Trump has, multiply them times 10 and you may then get a sense of how rotten Hillary is.
Mueller may be looking at charges himself over Uranium One.
1) Hillary is not the President.
2) Hillary is a better person, despite her flaws, than Trump is.
3) Hillary is experienced at governing.
4) And this is the important one...it doesn't matter how horrible Hillary actually is. That doesn't mean that Trump's serial lying and criminal behavior and likely collusion with a foreign enemy nation is acceptable, because it isn't. We have never had a President accused of such horrible unlawful behavior.
The truth will be known, and Trump will pay the price.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Also, its my observation that people with limited argument typically have to resort to name calling and other ways to deflect scrutiny of the validity or data sources of their argument(s). Racist, bigot, Hitler, Nazi etc ad nauseam...... I haven't heard Trump called Stalin, Pol Pot or Idi Amin though as yet and am surprised. But I'm sure that will surface eventually.
Lol. Seriously, is that "your observation" oh enlightened one ?? What a bright guy you are! Let ME share an observation with YOU:
Right Wingers, like, called Obama EVERY SINGLE ONE of the names you list above, and then some (x1000), and I guaranF'ntee you it didn't bother you one teeny bit, nor did you share your "observation" with anyone who called him those names that " people with limited arguments typically have to resort to name calling and other ways to deflect scrutiny of the validity or data sources of their argument(s)". Right? Right. You goddamned hypocrite. (Hey, when the shoe fits...? I am just channeling my inner trump and calling it like I see it: you ARE a goddamned hypocrite of the highest level.)