casual obsever wrote:
And thank you, rekrunner, for not getting me started on I-see-nothing-Mr.-Conflict-of-Interest-Coe.
That's 'I-see-nothing-Lord-Conflict-of-Interest-Coe' to low class uneducated riffraff peasants like you.
casual obsever wrote:
And thank you, rekrunner, for not getting me started on I-see-nothing-Mr.-Conflict-of-Interest-Coe.
That's 'I-see-nothing-Lord-Conflict-of-Interest-Coe' to low class uneducated riffraff peasants like you.
My dear rjm 33, you used this thread not for "reveal" the lies of all the persons you named, me included, but for reveal your "schizophrenic behavior", using so many stupid coincidences that I think you are really mental sick.
To suppose that, for example, the fact Gebre or Kenenisa bettered some WR in Nederland can be connected with some doping from Jos Hermens, is a so stupid idea that nobody able to think can consider fruit of a person in good mental health. Where is it possible to beat a WR in middle distances if not where there is a good organization for the event ? And, about 10000m, who was able to organize top races of middle distances, if not in Bruxelles (where Kenenisa bettered the WR of 10000 two times, following your "conspiracy theory" probably using a Belgian doctor) or in Hengelo ?
The fact you consider the Italians "masters of doping" because somebody is a well known specialist of this practice (Ferrari), is the same as considering all the American potential killers because the quantity of College Studentes who shooted 20 other students in the University Camp, or all muslims terrorists because there is ISIS.
Personally, I can't consider normal the behavior, and the mind, of somebody producing 300 posts, always repeating the same thing : this is the behavior of somebody who wants to appear, more than the behavior of somebody who wants to "explain", and many of your "scientific" explanations can be contested under many points of view.
Follow my advice : take it easy, quit to write the same things using "Fred" as sparring partner, and come back in the normal world, if you can.
It's been fun trying to watch you two try to get the last word. Like you said, you both skew information you present and there is no new information.
The simple fact is that we are working from very limited information and no one in the governing bodies seems inclined to provide more. It's hard to guess who was clean and who was not. So doubts will remain and, as time passes, more questions will come up about longstanding and eras when testing was really weak. Hopefully testing improves to a minimum standard globally so we can have more faith in current performances.
Rjm33 has revealed little of substance recently but he is not deluded in his thinking.
The doping network conspiracy theory is correct imo and Letsrun is doing the athletics community a service by providing a forum for the eventual exposition of the rampant elite doping circus of the previous 25 years
Would we like to rewind the clock further back and pretend that the communists hadn't doped all their athletes in the70s and 80s?
Renato Canova wrote:
My dear rjm 33, you used this thread not for "reveal" the lies of all the persons you named, me included, but for reveal your "schizophrenic behavior"
Follow my advice : take it easy, quit to write the same things using "Fred" as sparring partner, and come back in the normal world, if you can.
He can't make it back, Renato, he's started on the Risperdal but it's not turning around.
The photo of Dr. Plan B Saugy is very informative. Thank you for the photo of him autologous madness.
Here are some photos for you from another wonderful gala!!!
I remember a magazine editor coming back to Australia in the late nineties after an extensive and long tour of Europe and saying how PEDs were rife and that Aussie athletes didn't stand a chance against the PED users. He went in to detail and it all seemed so incredulous we didn't believe him, seems he was right and nothing much has changed.
Oh yeah, we found out it really was true when Said Aouita became the Australian National Distance Coach and starting to encourage PED use. He didn't last long before he got the 'services no longer required'.
PED wrote:
I remember a magazine editor coming back to Australia in the late nineties after an extensive and long tour of Europe and saying how PEDs were rife and that Aussie athletes didn't stand a chance against the PED users. He went in to detail and it all seemed so incredulous we didn't believe him, seems he was right and nothing much has changed.
eighties
just sayin wrote:
Reminds me of the autopsy mystery back in 2005.There was no autopsy actually performed as is customary in Ethiopia.
However From Jos Hermens:
" It is difficult to say if it was heart failure or something to do with the brain. The Ethiopian doctors who performed the autopsy could find nothing."
Are his athletes protected?
She may have died from EPO use but we will never know.
Why do you think anyone is protected?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3303406/Athletics-turmoil-former-chief-Lamine-Diack-investigation-corruption-linked-covering-Russian-doping.htmland one more from fred:
Wikipedia:
Herzog
"She is a seven-time Dutch national champion in cross country. She also won a bronze medal at the 2003 European Athletics Junior Championships.[1] On the circuit, she won the 2009 Lotto Cross Cup Brussels.[2]
Herzog was implicated in doping practices as part of investigations connected with Operación Galgo. Her coach at the time, Manuel Pascua Piqueras, was a central figure in the scandal. After being interrogated by the police, she was ultimately not charged of an offence after the evidence against her was destroyed.[3] In 2013, Dutch magazine Vrij Nederland published a series of email excerpts which it claimed demonstrated Herzog obtaining performance-enhancing drugs during 2011 and 2012"
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6881090&page=83#ixzz45qDBxRSf
just sayin...If I remember correctly, it was you that found the article linking Jos Hermens to Operation Puerto in 2006. I had never before seen that connection in all of my years of reading before you posted it on this thread.
I personally consider that post by you with that link of Jos Hermens to Operation Puerto as the single most important discovery of a single piece of information of a very complex web, which is now becoming clear.
That one post by you was the link that was needed to bring everything together, although it took many hours of reading and months of time to see where your post would lead. You never know where a tiny, obscure article from 10 years ago may lead. That is why I reposted it about 50 times.
And to you just sayin...Very well done!
It's not just Dutch managers and Dutch riders dropping dead:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5789920&page=2
fred wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:My dear rjm 33, you used this thread not for "reveal" the lies of all the persons you named, me included, but for reveal your "schizophrenic behavior"
Follow my advice : take it easy, quit to write the same things using "Fred" as sparring partner, and come back in the normal world, if you can.
He can't make it back, Renato, he's started on the Risperdal but it's not turning around.
That is correct "Fred", as rekrunner-rjm33-jon orange has already quadrupled their (his) Risperdal dose and added Zoloft...to help take the edge off.
Let's get back to the topic...of figure skaters.
http://wintergames.ap.org/article/kostner-skips-doping-hearing-schwazer-caseA degree in molecular science and some sweet poony.
Wiki
"After this race, Vroemen requested a doping test and was tested positive for the banned anabolic steroid metandienone. He contested the outcome based on scientific evidence that his (legal) anti-asthma medication caused the test to report false positives. More than 1.5 years after the "positive" test and the missed opportunity to run at the Olympics, the Sports Court released Vroemen of the doping charges, based on scientific evidence that the allowed asthma medication triggered the test. During these 1.5 years, the anti-doping authorities also tried to accuse Vroemen of using an illegal infusion in 2006. Vroemen was also declared innocent in this case and all charges were dropped."
He should apply to the IAAF to run one of their labs.
rekrunner wrote:
Your own link, to their credit, tells us a lot of other interesting things:
- That the Lausanne lab actually analyzed the samples (55 were able to be analyzed, and 12 were not) in 2012, and thought they were done with the mandate
- The LAD destroyed the samples in 2013, almost two years before the formation of the WADA-IC, in accordance with normal WADA procedures
- There seems to be a dispute: contrary to the WADA IC report, LAD says they did not receive explicit instructions to keep the samples
- While the WADA-IC was not satisfied, or did not believe, the explanation for the destruction, they also found "has found no evidence of otherwise culpable conduct"
To resolve the "dispute", a critical piece of missing information is to know what exactly did WADA instruct the Lausanne lab to do with the samples? This should be easy, but unfortunately neither WADA nor the LAD have made the exact instructions public (as far as I know).
Well, this here is quite clear:
"Perhaps more surprising was the finding of the Independent Commission that WADA’s flagship Lausanne laboratory had ‘acted contrary to specific instructions’ by destroying 67 Russian samples transferred from the Moscow laboratory, and that WADA had requested it to retain."
I really don't understand how you can still consider WADA as credible:
WADA and Saugy can't both speak the truth. Either
a) WADA lied, and didn't instruct Saugy/Lausanne to retain these samples. Then we caught WADA boldly lying -> no credibility.
or
b) Saugy lied, and destroyed the samples against WADA's "specific instructions". Such actions clearly would make Saugy unsuitable in the anti-doping fight, in line with his aiding Armstrong in defeating the EPO tests. Yet WADA keeps using him as the head of their "flagship" lab (and allegedly recommended him as credible expert to Paula). Thusly WADA cannot claim anymore to be a credible anti-doping institution.
I tend to go with b), but feel free to go with a). However b) also explains why they somewhat blame Saugy, but then paddle back:
"While the Commission reported that it had ‘not discovered evidence that would support otherwise culpable conduct on the part of the Lausanne laboratory in relation to the destruction of the samples’, it also emphasised that it ‘was not satisfied with’ and ‘did not believe’ the explanations provided by the Saugy as to how the samples came to be destroyed."
In other words, WADA caught Saugy lying, but doesn't really care. So what, eh? A corrupt leader of WADA's flagship lab fits into these times.
From the same link:
"Be that as it may, it has now emerged that Martial Saugy previously acted as a paid consultant for the Local Organising Committee of the Sochi Olympic Games and/or the Russian Ministry of Sport."
Cloxxki's got the inside info on the doping manager and Herzog.
Jos Hermens has already made reference to "random lunatic doctors" such as me. I agree with you on this statement and with your statement on the cause of weak mind disease.
Renato Canova wrote:
My dear rjm 33, you used this thread not for "reveal" the lies of all the persons you named, me included, but for reveal your "schizophrenic behavior", using so many stupid coincidences that I think you are really mental sick.
To suppose that, for example, the fact Gebre or Kenenisa bettered some WR in Nederland can be connected with some doping from Jos Hermens, is a so stupid idea that nobody able to think can consider fruit of a person in good mental health. Where is it possible to beat a WR in middle distances if not where there is a good organization for the event ? And, about 10000m, who was able to organize top races of middle distances, if not in Bruxelles (where Kenenisa bettered the WR of 10000 two times, following your "conspiracy theory" probably using a Belgian doctor) or in Hengelo ?
The fact you consider the Italians "masters of doping" because somebody is a well known specialist of this practice (Ferrari), is the same as considering all the American potential killers because the quantity of College Studentes who shooted 20 other students in the University Camp, or all muslims terrorists because there is ISIS.
Personally, I can't consider normal the behavior, and the mind, of somebody producing 300 posts, always repeating the same thing : this is the behavior of somebody who wants to appear, more than the behavior of somebody who wants to "explain", and many of your "scientific" explanations can be contested under many points of view.
Follow my advice : take it easy, quit to write the same things using "Fred" as sparring partner, and come back in the normal world, if you can.
Here is a previous post on what Jos Hermens had to say about "random lunatic doctors":
fred wrote:
'“These random isolated positive drug tests in Ethiopia and Kenya have nothing to do with management, it is just random pharmacists or doctors and sometimes doctors who are not fully certified offering drugs to athletes. It’s just some random lunatic doctors,†added Hermens.'
Just random coincidences.
I found this quote very concerning fred.
When Jos Hermens uses the phrase "random lunatic doctors"; this is not in reference to someone like me, is it?
I am feeling a bit anxious about this. I think I am going to quadruple my Risperdal dose and add Zoloft. That should help take the edge off.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6881090&page=83#ixzz45qbjmkEcBribing the drug labs in Europe:
CycleNews:
"Matschiner is a former track athlete and was still heavily involved in the track and field scene. In connection with the track world championships starting this weekend in Berlin, he told the German television broadcaster ARD that he had bribed lab workers. He allegedly paid from 150 to 500 Euros per sample.
In addition, Matschiner said that these forbidden tests were done in labs in central Europe. According to Kurier, labs in that region are in Prague, Czech Republic; Cologne and Kreischa, Germany; Lausanne, Switzerland; and Seibersdorf, Austria. Kurier reported that the Austrian lab was not involved, and Kohl said that he did not know which lab tested his samples.
The illegally tested samples were designed to help the athletes determine the dosages for "micro-dosing". As Kohl explained: "You know exactly which dose you need in the evening so that the stuff won't be traceable the next morning."
Yep, it's just 'random lunatic doctors'. They're the ones causing the problems
Bingo casual observer! Both weak mind disease and conspiracy theory disease are contagious according to my latest theories. Trust me. I am a doctor.
Conspiracy theory disease and weak mind disease are actually two aspects of the same disease, like two sides of a coin.For one more coincidence, this is post number...1700.
rjm33 wrote:
Bingo casual observer! Both weak mind disease and conspiracy theory disease are contagious according to my latest theories. Trust me. I am a doctor.