If you are posting that as proof that Stephen Miller is insane then we agree
Honestly, that is one of the things that so disconcerting about the current administration: they are so unprofessional regarding what they say and do in public!
I still can't get over the fact that Leavitt specifically said that the SignalGate article in The Atlantic was a hoax. This is coming from the White House Press Secretary! She was either completely clueless and jumping to conclusions while denigrating the reporter, or she was outright lying. Which one would be worse?
What were Buttigieg’s qualifications for being the secretary of transportation? Liking trains? Decorating a bridge?
He is a gay man, it's simple as that. The biden/klaine/harris administration were big time virtue signalers. Just look at harris, she was VP because of her color and sex not on merit. That was proven some more during the election, what a dumb dumb dummy she is.
I understand the requirements to be the SecDef, good sir... quite possibly better than anyone else in the LRC community.
It is admirable that he "cares about the soldiers," since military leaders are taught that it is just as important to focus on taking good care of your people as it is to accomplish the mission. But I'm sorry, that just isn't enough.
No, Hegseth was not an O-10, but being an O-4 doesn't cut it. He doesn't have nearly enough years of experience as a whole, and certainly not enough senior command experience.
Beyond that, an officer will typically go through three different levels of advanced Professional Military Education during their career that teaches them how to be a military leader as increasing levels of responsibility. I know was a fact that Hegseth didn't complete the highest level of PME.
Look, the man had a nice military career, but "nice" isn't good enough to be worthy of becoming the Secretary of Defense. He is simply underqualified for the job and was selected because Trump knew that he would be an obedient sycophant based upon his recent history as a talking head on Fox News.
and of course SignalGate is *exactly* what you'd expect from elevating a man to a job he is not prepared to do.
Exactly what an unqualified and inexperienced recruit would do wrong.
Now expand that across all the unqualified people put in important positions.
I don't think that this is correct. There is PLENTY of stuff that Hegseth is no doubt falling short on due to his lack of senior military experience and/or large organization leadership experience.
But using an unclas app (and what I assume is an unclas phone) to discuss that stuff is NOT an example of that.
He and most or all of the rest of the people on that chat did it because they're arrogant. Similar to Hillary, but almost certainly worse in content. "I'm senior, I'm special, I don't follow rules like the little people (.....but I WILL fry them if and when their cases of neglect come before me)"
That's it.
(by the way, I charitably say "most" above because it IS possible that Steve Witkoff can't spell "classification")
If you are posting that as proof that Stephen Miller is insane then we agree
Honestly, that is one of the things that so disconcerting about the current administration: they are so unprofessional regarding what they say and do in public!
I still can't get over the fact that Leavitt specifically said that the SignalGate article in The Atlantic was a hoax. This is coming from the White House Press Secretary! She was either completely clueless and jumping to conclusions while denigrating the reporter, or she was outright lying. Which one would be worse?
A little tough love, RHv3: You still try to discuss things with adolt, and you're wondering if Leavitt is lying?
Maybe you're kidding above, but if not, you need to get a little firmer grip on the kind of people you're discussing.
Let me help: Shameless lying, 24/7. We've been seeing for ~10 years, and they've ACTUALLY managed to turn up the dial past 10 since January.
and of course SignalGate is *exactly* what you'd expect from elevating a man to a job he is not prepared to do.
Exactly what an unqualified and inexperienced recruit would do wrong.
Now expand that across all the unqualified people put in important positions.
I don't think that this is correct. There is PLENTY of stuff that Hegseth is no doubt falling short on due to his lack of senior military experience and/or large organization leadership experience.
But using an unclas app (and what I assume is an unclas phone) to discuss that stuff is NOT an example of that.
He and most or all of the rest of the people on that chat did it because they're arrogant. Similar to Hillary, but almost certainly worse in content. "I'm senior, I'm special, I don't follow rules like the little people (.....but I WILL fry them if and when their cases of neglect come before me)"
That's it.
(by the way, I charitably say "most" above because it IS possible that Steve Witkoff can't spell "classification")
A little tough love, RHv3: You still try to discuss things with adolt, and you're wondering if Leavitt is lying?
Maybe you're kidding above, but if not, you need to get a little firmer grip on the kind of people you're discussing.
Let me help: Shameless lying, 24/7. We've been seeing for ~10 years, and they've ACTUALLY managed to turn up the dial past 10 since January.
I appreciate the feedback. My younger co-workers will occasionally tell me something similar... essentially, that I am optimistic and trusting "to a fault."
From my perspective, I should probably be a bit more cautious in those situations. As cliché as it might sound, I have been fortunate enough to be surrounded by a lot of intelligent, accomplished people throughout the vast majority of my adult life: runners, military officers, politicians, etc. As a result, you tend to develop a habit of giving everyone around you the benefit of the doubt, even though that can still potentially come back around to bite you.
For better or worse, Trump is a consummate example. By my estimate, I repeatedly gave him the benefit of the doubt for approximately two years during his first term. Eventually, I had an epiphany: this man might be doing some good things for our economy, but he is also an egotistical, sanctimonious, condescending, antagonistic jerk! I have no problem with the vast majority of the Republican platform (prior to 20 Jan 2025), but they put forth a deplorable human being to represent their party.
👆trailer trash logic. was an innocent mistake thinking he was on CIA issued lock down security, certainly under the understanding that only cleared individuals were on the chat. Nothing changed but MAGA will be stronger and Trump can identify the mole. Hegseth did nothing wrong.
Drinking may be an issue, valid logic, but he was setup with a water glass posing as Whiskey, so sources so far are useless. we will keep an eye on it
Are you serious? He doesn’t even know what app he is using? That’s not helping your cause.
If Trump says he’s fine, then he’s fine. This is Trumps cabinet, not yours, or any liberal. Give him space, let him work. It’s not a race. China been at it for thousands of years and was winning, now it’s our time.
Are you serious? He doesn’t even know what app he is using? That’s not helping your cause.
If Trump says he’s fine, then he’s fine. This is Trumps cabinet, not yours, or any liberal. Give him space, let him work. It’s not a race. China been at it for thousands of years and was winning, now it’s our time.
yank often treads a nice line between trolling and sincerity. That fine line where you aren't sure which side he is on, depending on if he is being sarcastic or not.
If you are posting that as proof that Stephen Miller is insane then we agree
Honestly, that is one of the things that so disconcerting about the current administration: they are so unprofessional regarding what they say and do in public!
I still can't get over the fact that Leavitt specifically said that the SignalGate article in The Atlantic was a hoax. This is coming from the White House Press Secretary! She was either completely clueless and jumping to conclusions while denigrating the reporter, or she was outright lying. Which one would be worse?
It’s a hoax in the fact that it hurts Trumps cabinet. It strengthens it. Bad move by the mole, and CIA. Great move for MAGA.
What were Buttigieg’s qualifications for being the secretary of transportation? Liking trains? Decorating a bridge?
He is a gay man, it's simple as that. The biden/klaine/harris administration were big time virtue signalers. Just look at harris, she was VP because of her color and sex not on merit. That was proven some more during the election, what a dumb dumb dummy she is.
Buttigieg worked on logistics at McKinsey, graduated from Harvard, was the mayor of South Bend, and served in the US Navy Reserve. Sean Duffy worked on his tan on Jersey Shore or some sh*t.
Didn't Harris kick Trump's *ss in the debate? He must be a complete f*cking moron.
Honestly, that is one of the things that so disconcerting about the current administration: they are so unprofessional regarding what they say and do in public!
I still can't get over the fact that Leavitt specifically said that the SignalGate article in The Atlantic was a hoax. This is coming from the White House Press Secretary! She was either completely clueless and jumping to conclusions while denigrating the reporter, or she was outright lying. Which one would be worse?
It’s a hoax in the fact that it hurts Trumps cabinet. It strengthens it. Bad move by the mole, and CIA. Great move for MAGA.
Come on, you know that is not what Leavitt meant when she said that. That is misleading rhetoric.
If Trump says he’s fine, then he’s fine. This is Trumps cabinet, not yours, or any liberal. Give him space, let him work. It’s not a race. China been at it for thousands of years and was winning, now it’s our time.
yank often treads a nice line between trolling and sincerity. That fine line where you aren't sure which side he is on, depending on if he is being sarcastic or not.
I like it when you don’t waste a bunch of threads undermining your own arguments.
Hegseth texted military plans and takes his wife to meetings. That’s not “caring for soldiers”…that’s more like poorly managing alcoholism
👆trailer trash logic. was an innocent mistake thinking he was on CIA issued lock down security, certainly under the understanding that only cleared individuals were on the chat. Nothing changed but MAGA will be stronger and Trump can identify the mole. Hegseth did nothing wrong.
Drinking may be an issue, valid logic, but he was setup with a water glass posing as Whiskey, so sources so far are useless. we will keep an eye on it
Hagseth in 2016: “Any security professional, military, government or otherwise, would be fired on the spot for this type of conduct and criminally prosecuted for being so reckless with this kind of information.”
Hagseth in 2016: “If it was anyone other than Hillary Clinton, they would be in jail right now for what has been done. Because the assumption is, in the intelligence community, if you are using unclassified means, there is the potential for, and likelihood, that foreign governments are targeting those accounts and gathering intelligence from them.”
Apparently he's been dumb for a long time, because now it's not Hillary Clinton and nobody is going to jail and nobody is going to jail. Every single person on the chat, except Goldberg, should be in a prison in El Salvador.
p.s. When your best argument is "He's incompetent, not malicious." you're in a cult.
He is a gay man, it's simple as that. The biden/klaine/harris administration were big time virtue signalers. Just look at harris, she was VP because of her color and sex not on merit. That was proven some more during the election, what a dumb dumb dummy she is.
Buttigieg worked on logistics at McKinsey, graduated from Harvard, was the mayor of South Bend, and served in the US Navy Reserve. Sean Duffy worked on his tan on Jersey Shore or some sh*t.
Didn't Harris kick Trump's *ss in the debate? He must be a complete f*cking moron.
Buttigieg's biggest accomplishment as mayor of South Bend was lighting up the soffits of the bridges for nightime illumination.
If you are posting that as proof that Stephen Miller is insane then we agree
Honestly, that is one of the things that so disconcerting about the current administration: they are so unprofessional regarding what they say and do in public!
I still can't get over the fact that Leavitt specifically said that the SignalGate article in The Atlantic was a hoax. This is coming from the White House Press Secretary! She was either completely clueless and jumping to conclusions while denigrating the reporter, or she was outright lying. Which one would be worse?
In a way, it is helpful when Trump and his team say things are a hoax. Things that you see with your very eyes and can read word for word like the Signal texts.
How is it helpful you ask?
Well it tells you that Trump and his team repeatedly are lying whenever they say stuff is a hoax. All the things Trump has said are a hoax are true! Russia gate. Stolen bathroom documents. Jan 6th. You name it!
They say stuff is a hoax when they can't dispute evidence.
I appreciate the feedback. My younger co-workers will occasionally tell me something similar... essentially, that I am optimistic and trusting "to a fault."
From my perspective, I should probably be a bit more cautious in those situations. As cliché as it might sound, I have been fortunate enough to be surrounded by a lot of intelligent, accomplished people throughout the vast majority of my adult life: runners, military officers, politicians, etc. As a result, you tend to develop a habit of giving everyone around you the benefit of the doubt, even though that can still potentially come back around to bite you.
For better or worse, Trump is a consummate example. By my estimate, I repeatedly gave him the benefit of the doubt for approximately two years during his first term. Eventually, I had an epiphany: this man might be doing some good things for our economy, but he is also an egotistical, sanctimonious, condescending, antagonistic jerk! I have no problem with the vast majority of the Republican platform (prior to 20 Jan 2025), but they put forth a deplorable human being to represent their party.
Let me ask you a question f you have military experience.
Is it normal for Hegseth to have that text conversation with people that are not in the military? It seems to me that conversation would be with the generals and planners and seems strange that Hegseth would have it with those 19 people outside of the military.
Its almost as if he is an outsider with the military and feels more comfortable around fellow Trump crazies.
Trump is going to absolutely crush it on Liberations Day. Tariffs like the world has never seen. Break all kinds of economic fiscal records, that haven't been touched ever since books were kept on such things.
Let me ask you a question f you have military experience.
Is it normal for Hegseth to have that text conversation with people that are not in the military? It seems to me that conversation would be with the generals and planners and seems strange that Hegseth would have it with those 19 people outside of the military.
It really depends upon who the people "outside of the military" happen to be.
Things can potentially be coordinated with the senior leaders of other government agencies, and it isn't uncommon to consult with a GS-15 or various lower-level SES personnel.
All that to say, typically everyone is a government official of some type. But obviously, things of this nature should not be done on Signal! That's why we have classified computer networks and phones. Anybody who tries to tell us that the entire SignalGate scenario is actually a "Great move for MAGA" doesn't understand standard military procedures or is simply delusional.
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