What a bunch of hot air: :LET'S SHOCK THE WORLD by doing THE ROUTE THAT BUILDS CHAMPIONS by going INTO THE PAIN CAVE running THE TRIAL OF MILES -- now it's "well on second thought..."?
That's the problem of getting on the hype machine: you gotta back it up eventually. Hopefully he backs up that ego. There's always Masters in a few years.
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What a bunch of hot air: :LET'S SHOCK THE WORLD by doing THE ROUTE THAT BUILDS CHAMPIONS by going INTO THE PAIN CAVE running THE TRIAL OF MILES -- now it's "well on second thought..."?
That's the problem of getting on the hype machine: you gotta back it up eventually. Hopefully he backs up that ego. There's always Masters in a few years.
Contrast that with Big Jim, who stays relatively silent on social media and is Strava dark until he appears on a starting line in the desert a few weekends ago to show us all what he’s capable of.
What a bunch of hot air: :LET'S SHOCK THE WORLD by doing THE ROUTE THAT BUILDS CHAMPIONS by going INTO THE PAIN CAVE running THE TRIAL OF MILES -- now it's "well on second thought..."?
That's the problem of getting on the hype machine: you gotta back it up eventually. Hopefully he backs up that ego. There's always Masters in a few years.
Contrast that with Big Jim, who stays relatively silent on social media and is Strava dark until he appears on a starting line in the desert a few weekends ago to show us all what he’s capable of.
And contrast with Kilian who battles for a 2nd place finish with a bum knee, and didn’t even have to as he would have gotten a ticket for 3rd.
Looking at the Strava posts for 2nd place finisher Eddie Owens and 3rd place finisher Remi Leroux and comparing their splits to David's here's how it appears:
By aid station 1 at mile 8.5, the lead pack was six strong. During the next climb, winner Eli Hemming made a move around mile 10.5 and David tired to hold on, while Eddie and Remi let them go. Runners 5 and 6 also fell behind on this climb.
David held on to Eli past the aid station at mile 14.3, but Eli dropped David during the next climb around miles 15-16 (which, by the way, is after David claimed to "roll his ankle" - guess we wasn't so "hurt" to DNF at aid station 2 when it looked like he was still in the race). On this third climb, David appears spent - he had a 30-60 second lead on Eddie and Remi, but they slowly worked up to him and passed him during this climb.
By mile 17.5, Eddie and Remi were long gone and, with them, David's chances of podiuming. David kept running, albeit at a 6:20-7:00 GAP pace until he got to aid station 3 at mile 23.2. For contrast, Eddie ran those sections a at 6:00-6:20 GAP pace.
Thereafter, David DNF'd at aid station 3. He couldn't podium, so he decided to pack it up and take his toys home.
Again, no evidence from his running that he was hurt - just tired from pushing past his limits and blowing up. Hubris will do that to you....
Been lurking on this thread. Long-term swap hate listener. I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt on the sprained ankle—he and Meghan use use that term differently than most, they say “sprain” for what most people would call a simple turn or roll (which is honestly really weird). I think it’s conceivable that he rolled his ankle, and then decided to drop when it was clear he had no chance in order to prevent it from turning into an actual injury.
Other factors besides durability are RER and sugar transporters. Suppose an "Athlete A" is consistently stronger than him at 50k trail races. We can reasonably guess that Athlete A's 1st lactate threshold paces are faster than his at most of the flat or uphill inclines of the race, if downhill paces are similar. But that doesn't tell us which athlete has a better respiratory exchange ratio (calculates fat:carb burning) a little below LT1 or how much glucose and fructose transporters they have in small intestine. So it is theoretically possible for David Roche to beat Athlete A in 100 miles despite not having a chance at 50k. There are realistic limits to this, but it makes sense.
I think he'll be around 3rd to 5th place if he gets in a higher volume of easy workouts and paces for a decent finish and not trying to win.
I think that's being extremely optimistic. There are so many top runners on the start line of WS this year.. I think it would be an accomplishment for David if he finishes Top 10.
Other factors besides durability are RER and sugar transporters. Suppose an "Athlete A" is consistently stronger than him at 50k trail races. We can reasonably guess that Athlete A's 1st lactate threshold paces are faster than his at most of the flat or uphill inclines of the race, if downhill paces are similar. But that doesn't tell us which athlete has a better respiratory exchange ratio (calculates fat:carb burning) a little below LT1 or how much glucose and fructose transporters they have in small intestine. So it is theoretically possible for David Roche to beat Athlete A in 100 miles despite not having a chance at 50k. There are realistic limits to this, but it makes sense.
This is interesting. It provides some scientific reason/insight around the phrase "durability".
I've been training for a 24 hour race (weekly 6hour+ runs in 140mpw+) and I know lots of training mates who would smoke me at 50k, but at 100k (and above) I'd be heavily bookies favourite.
This is interesting. It provides some scientific reason/insight around the phrase "durability".
I've been training for a 24 hour race (weekly 6hour+ runs in 140mpw+) and I know lots of training mates who would smoke me at 50k, but at 100k (and above) I'd be heavily bookies favourite.
That's awesome. I love fixed timed events. Good luck
Other factors besides durability are RER and sugar transporters. Suppose an "Athlete A" is consistently stronger than him at 50k trail races. We can reasonably guess that Athlete A's 1st lactate threshold paces are faster than his at most of the flat or uphill inclines of the race, if downhill paces are similar. But that doesn't tell us which athlete has a better respiratory exchange ratio (calculates fat:carb burning) a little below LT1 or how much glucose and fructose transporters they have in small intestine. So it is theoretically possible for David Roche to beat Athlete A in 100 miles despite not having a chance at 50k. There are realistic limits to this, but it makes sense.
This is interesting. It provides some scientific reason/insight around the phrase "durability".
I've been training for a 24 hour race (weekly 6hour+ runs in 140mpw+) and I know lots of training mates who would smoke me at 50k, but at 100k (and above) I'd be heavily bookies favourite.
Again, no evidence from his running that he was hurt - just tired from pushing past his limits and blowing up. Hubris will do that to you....
I'm confused. How can someone who regularly runs workouts, at altitude, like 6 x 1 mile with one min rest averaging 1 min rest---one has to be in low to mid 27 10k race shape to be able to do a workout like that. why would david have trouble running low 6 min miles if he can run workouts like this?
lol at David posting sh*t like training like a "sociopath" and getting into the "pain cave" and "a lot of people put in the work BUT IT REALLY NARROWS THE FVCKING FUNNEL" and all of his other cringe try hard bullsh*t and he can't even run 20 miles with his competitors
lol at David posting sh*t like training like a "sociopath" and getting into the "pain cave" and "a lot of people put in the work BUT IT REALLY NARROWS THE FVCKING FUNNEL" and all of his other cringe try hard bullsh*t and he can't even run 20 miles with his competitors
Turns out it’s not that hard to impress the YouTube crowd, they eat that stuff up. The only problem is he has to back it up, and there’s no way to fake that. His sprained ego, I mean “ankle” will get him tons of support though. Deception is a powerful drug.
lol at David posting sh*t like training like a "sociopath" and getting into the "pain cave" and "a lot of people put in the work BUT IT REALLY NARROWS THE FVCKING FUNNEL" and all of his other cringe try hard bullsh*t and he can't even run 20 miles with his competitors
Turns out it’s not that hard to impress the YouTube crowd, they eat that stuff up. The only problem is he has to back it up, and there’s no way to fake that. His sprained ego, I mean “ankle” will get him tons of support though. Deception is a powerful drug.
so, David probably did have a sprained ankle, but if you look at the picture of him saying hi to his kid, his ankle looks fine. Compare that to the pic shared on his IG story, which is a sprained and ballooned ankle with the rest of the leg covered up by a pair of pants. I'm not saying that David faked his sprained ankle and used a fake picture on his IG...but that is what I'm saying
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