This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
You quite literally asked me to explain the riveting, compelling "stop a cold" paper in tennis terms. So I did. Now you realize that you walked yourself into the trap of continuing to talk about tennis.
Intellectual giant right here. Again, if you weren't so disingenuous, people would engage. But, because you're not and can't display even a modicum of humility, well, we're just going to continue sabotaging your thread and talking about the greatest, #1 ranked, long Covid suffering tennis player of all time.
You said this:
"You think, you think. That's the problem. Are we going to tout and promote vaccines against the common cold because they help to prevent or mitigate cold symptoms? That's what this new 54% number is tantamount to."
And yes if we had a pan-rhinovirus vaccine we would "tout and promote"
Yep, I did say that, in the context of Covid, which just ain't a big deal anymore, thanks to vaccinated and natural immunity alike.
And barely a majority of people getting symptom relief from a cold is a vaccine we would have the right to refuse.
Dogma, and low effort/IQ. Everything is partisan, classifiable for simple minds. In this case: "vaccine bad"
Says the guy who asks to talk about tennis but then cries this thread isn't about tennis and, wrong with his bro, literally cheats and steals people's handles. You literally did that. Are people supposed to be proud of you?
There are ~6000 posts from me on here discussing the vaccine and COVID.
You must realize how small these past 48 hrs have been.
"You think, you think. That's the problem. Are we going to tout and promote vaccines against the common cold because they help to prevent or mitigate cold symptoms? That's what this new 54% number is tantamount to."
And yes if we had a pan-rhinovirus vaccine we would "tout and promote"
Yep, I did say that, in the context of Covid, which just ain't a big deal anymore, thanks to vaccinated and natural immunity alike.
And barely a majority of people getting symptom relief from a cold is a vaccine we would have the right to refuse.
The US alone loses tens of billions in productivity a year thanks to the common cold.
Cutting that even in half would be great.
Very dogmatic/weird argument you're trying to make.
Yep, I did say that, in the context of Covid, which just ain't a big deal anymore, thanks to vaccinated and natural immunity alike.
And barely a majority of people getting symptom relief from a cold is a vaccine we would have the right to refuse.
The US alone loses tens of billions in productivity a year thanks to the common cold.
Cutting that even in half would be great.
Very dogmatic/weird argument you're trying to make.
Basically, you have talked yourself into saying people getting sick, kids missing school, and general extra pain and suffer would be good... because someone didn't like your tennis play.
I would step back, take a breath, and decide if this is really the type of logic you want to be known for.
Harambe won't even go get the fifth vaccine he's touting and promoting. Because, the one correct thing he has said is it's not necessary.
This is tacit admission the vaccines work.
If the argument is "people don't need continuous boosting because immunity is so good"... think about what you are saying.
Sometimes anti-vax morons make the best arguments for the vaccine.
Yes, I believe that the current boosters are absolutely a net positive for all adults (the approved population)
Also that the absolute risk reduction from these boosters for most of the population is not huge when compared to the massive gains from the first 3 shoots.
Thus, it's not essential that everyone gets them – the risk of not getting them is well within what most people will tolerate. This is not saying they don't work.
It's not OK to yell 'boosters are useless and don't work why are we studying them they're not needed' because that makes people not get them, some of whom likely need them a lot more than the average Americans. That is spreading antivaxxer propaganda and is murderous.
It was ok to demand/coerce Americans into getting the original series of vaccines because sterilizing immunity was high, the risk reduction was very large, and hospital capacity was at risk.
Studying vaccine effectiveness is crucial even this late into the game because we should learn as much as we can about vaccinology from these big vaccination campaigns.
If someone was to say "I don't want the booster but I acknowledge this isn't strictly the best decision for me" then OK! Agreed! Fair enough. Nobody actually does this. Theyget butthurt and try to argue they're making a rational choice. They're not. The data shows as much.
If the argument is "people don't need continuous boosting because immunity is so good"... think about what you are saying.
Sometimes anti-vax morons make the best arguments for the vaccine.
Yes, I believe that the current boosters are absolutely a net positive for all adults (the approved population)
Also that the absolute risk reduction from these boosters for most of the population is not huge when compared to the massive gains from the first 3 shoots.
Thus, it's not essential that everyone gets them – the risk of not getting them is well within what most people will tolerate. This is not saying they don't work.
It's not OK to yell 'boosters are useless and don't work why are we studying them they're not needed' because that makes people not get them, some of whom likely need them a lot more than the average Americans. That is spreading antivaxxer propaganda and is murderous.
It was ok to demand/coerce Americans into getting the original series of vaccines because sterilizing immunity was high, the risk reduction was very large, and hospital capacity was at risk.
Studying vaccine effectiveness is crucial even this late into the game because we should learn as much as we can about vaccinology from these big vaccination campaigns.
If someone was to say "I don't want the booster but I acknowledge this isn't strictly the best decision for me" then OK! Agreed! Fair enough. Nobody actually does this. Theyget butthurt and try to argue they're making a rational choice. They're not. The data shows as much.
Harambitch this cannot be reduced down to a simple saying like “boosters good” - they will not understand
Harambe won't even go get the fifth vaccine he's touting and promoting. Because, the one correct thing he has said is it's not necessary.
This is tacit admission the vaccines work.
If the argument is "people don't need continuous boosting because immunity is so good"... think about what you are saying.
Sometimes anti-vax morons make the best arguments for the vaccine.
Yep, and where did I ever say vaccines don't work? Never happened. That's your problem. You're so caught up in the dogma that you can't stop to realize that's not the argument that was put forth. I said natural immunity was just as good as vaccination. That's not the same thing as vaccines don't work. I said, based on Harambe's paper that he posted today (that he thinks is so utterly compelling) that the fifth booster is unnecessary but agreed with him that it's the high risk groups who it helps. Never said otherwise.
But tacit admission or not, Harambe ain't going to get the very booster he's promoting, which is just more disingenuousness, which is what you phonies do best of all. It's also tacit admission that naturally immunity works too, genius. Novak proved that once and for all.
No you don't. You mock them by hoping and praying the Novax has long Covid, which, of course he doesn't. He's still #1 in the world, and boy does that bother you.
No you don't. You mock them by hoping and praying the Novax has long Covid, which, of course he doesn't. He's still #1 in the world, and boy does that bother you.
I didn’t say anything about Choker and long COVID. Yet he appears. Deep down you know the truth…
If the argument is "people don't need continuous boosting because immunity is so good"... think about what you are saying.
Sometimes anti-vax morons make the best arguments for the vaccine.
Yep, and where did I ever say vaccines don't work? Never happened. That's your problem. You're so caught up in the dogma that you can't stop to realize that's not the argument that was put forth. I said natural immunity was just as good as vaccination. That's not the same thing as vaccines don't work. I said, based on Harambe's paper that he posted today (that he thinks is so utterly compelling) that the fifth booster is unnecessary but agreed with him that it's the high risk groups who it helps. Never said otherwise.
But tacit admission or not, Harambe ain't going to get the very booster he's promoting, which is just more disingenuousness, which is what you phonies do best of all. It's also tacit admission that naturally immunity works too, genius. Novak proved that once and for all.
You must consume everything you support is an interesting take.
I think if that’s the position from which you make your arguments… this is over. 😂😅
Remember, these guys were quite literally reduced to stealing people's handles. That's who you're dialoguing with here. Very sincere and authentic people. Lol.
2600bro doesn't want to talk about tennis then asks to talk about tennis then gets mad we're talking about tennis, then cheats his way out of a conversation. Riveting. Yeah, Djokovic has made these guys look like fools on many fronts.
Remember, these guys were quite literally reduced to stealing people's handles. That's who you're dialoguing with here. Very sincere and authentic people. Lol.
2600bro doesn't want to talk about tennis then asks to talk about tennis then gets mad we're talking about tennis, then cheats his way out of a conversation. Riveting. Yeah, Djokovic has made these guys look like fools on many fronts.
"I am not mad, but every other post will be spent complaining about made-up behaviors of others"
The information density in your posts is mind-numbingly low.
Long Covid must not be any big deal for NoVax to still be ranked world #1, and finish 2nd, 1st, and 3rd (lol) in his last three slams eh? Weren't you saying how awful long Covid is? So, you would mock people that actually suffer from long Covid. Swell guy you are, in addition to being a complete dolt know-it-all.
He has failed to win since long-COVID caused his soft-tissue injury.
We will see how he deals with it. Can he ever regain his past form? Time will tell.
It's easy to be a know-it-all when I know a couple orders of magnitude more about these topics than you and other antivaxxers.
If you wish to challenge my status I suggest you take the time to learn - no shortcuts... sorry.
Also, 2600bro.... I never talked about Choker and long Covid. Lol. F ing clown.