Could we all please stop responding to Sally's diversion about felony convictions?
just stop talking to her about it.
if we stop, she'll stop.
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Via X
A message to every Trumper:
Donald Trump lied to you.
Donald Trump told you that Republicans would steal the 2016 primary for Ted Cruz. He wanted you to call it fraud if Ted Cruz won, so he lied to you.
He told you Democrats would steal the 2016 general election for Hillary. He wanted you to call it fraud if she won, so he lied to you.
He told you they would steal it again in 2020, through mail-in voting, “illegals,” “ballot harvesting,” Dominion voting machines, and more.
He wanted you to call it fraud if Biden won, so he lied to you.
He expected to lose every time. When he finally did, you still fell for it. But it’s not your fault.
Every single person, news outlet, and organization who would profit off a second Trump term repeated his lies so you’d stay firm in your belief and so you’d distrust our system.
They thought if they lied enough and got you angry enough, you would help Trump stay in office by doing something crazy... something like storming the Capitol during the electoral college certification.
Then they lied to you and said J6 was Antifa and the FBI in disguise, not real Trump supporters. Four years later, Trump is planning a ceremony next month to thank the M@ga supporters who were there that day.
If you look at the actual facts and ignore everything Trump and people on TV and social media have said to you to trick you… Here is what we know:
Every Trump administration official who testified under penalty of perjury about the 2020 election confirmed there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud or illegal voting.
Every lawsuit regarding the 2020 election was dismissed, even by Trump-appointed judges.
The only reason you think that you can’t trust our election results, that there is widespread voter fraud, or that Democrats can somehow rig elections is that Trump lost ONE TIME. That’s it. Just once.
Is that really so hard to believe, especially considering that so many Americans knew someone who had died from COVID?
Folks, he’s already lying to you again.
Trump’s team is working on new phony lawsuits for November. They’re even filing lawsuits early to un-enroll tens of thousands of voters in swing states like Arizona. so the margin of victory is close enough to claim “FRAUD!” when he loses.
Trump’s team also has a plan to end all election monitoring if he’s re-elected, so Republicans can yell “FRAUD!” again in 2028 with no way for the government to tell if there was fraud or not.
They are doing exactly what they accuse Democrats of doing: destroying the integrity of our elections. Don’t. Fall. For. It.
If you still can’t believe it, think about this...
Here’s Trump last month saying that the Republican Party will have lawyers at every poll booth in November.
He’s still going to say there was widespread fraud despute attorneys watching every voting location and despite telling Fox News viewers that he doesn’t need their votes.
If you think he’s telling the truth, then you should trust that the election will be safe and secure. The lawyers will stop non-citizens from voting and stop Americans from voting twice. You have nothing to worry about, right?
So if he still blames widespread fraud for losing, then he’ll be lying, won’t he?
On the other hand, if you agree that having a lawyer at every poll booth isn't possible, then you know he’s lying to you already, right?
There IS a corrupt, globalist elite who want to destroy our country and our democracy. But it isn’t the Democrats.
It’s the party led by the man who has over a dozen countries around the globe invested in his companies and his presidency.121 -
Shoko Asahara wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Unfortunately for you, Trump is leading in most of the swing states.
You mean Trump *was* leading in most of the swing states. Now he is trailing in most of the swing states.
I am concerned about Gary and other Trump cult posters. Sure they are annoying and spread disinformation but they still are in the letsrun community and they are headed for a very difficult time ahead. Sure for few years they can tell themselves Trump actually won, but on some level they will know the real truth. Reality will always threaten to break through to consciousness.
Poor Gary, he thinks Trump is way ahead in polls and is headed for victory. Maybe a fellow Trump cult member with a modicum sense of reality, can try to prepare him
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They're eating DODA wrote:
Shoko Asahara wrote:
You mean Trump *was* leading in most of the swing states. Now he is trailing in most of the swing states.
I am concerned about Gary and other Trump cult posters. Sure they are annoying and spread disinformation but they still are in the letsrun community and they are headed for a very difficult time ahead. Sure for few years they can tell themselves Trump actually won, but on some level they will know the real truth. Reality will always threaten to break through to consciousness.
Poor Gary, he thinks Trump is way ahead in polls and is headed for victory. Maybe a fellow Trump cult member with a modicum sense of reality, can try to prepare him
are you kidding? Repubs prefer being in the minority. They are way happier sitting back and complaining than actually running a country.
I mean look at the House...they've done virtually nothing this year under R control. They don't like governing. It's too real. They'd rather live in the abstract world of right wing talking points.
Anyway, point is Gary will be happier than a clam if trump loses - he can then spend the next 8 years complaining, and in doing so, satisfying that itch.
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Tea party Trevor wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
When you're doing trying to untwist this pretzel of stupidity you've put yourself into you can move on to trying to explain exactly who Trump was defrauding.
Maybe you could put that tiny diseased brain to work explaining how business records that no voter knew about which did not have to be disclosed until AFTER the election were "falsified" to impact the outcome of that election.
Important to remember that A-Dolts defenses of Trump are political defenses that he got from the internet. They are not legal defenses which are needed in a court of law. Trumps legal defenses were obliterated repeatedly in court. He was humiliated. So his lawyers like Hobba rushed to the lobby of the courthouse to try their case with dummies like Adolt.
Don’t take the bait. Just ridicule.
You can't refute the logic so you just insult.
Liberal 101.
The case will be thrown out and idiots like you will be stunned because you were never exposed to the truth.
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
What do you think "defraud" means you utter f*cking moron???????
The defrauding is the personal benefit.
You are too stupid for words.
His lawyers said:
this was for actual legal services, but also he was trying to avoid embarrassment. There’s your benefit. They even said this is for his personal benefit, not political.
The $130,000 payment came from Trump’s former lawyer and personal fixer Michael Cohen to buy Daniels’ silence during the final weeks of the 2016 race in what prosecutors allege was an effort to interfere in the election. When Cohen was reimbursed, the payments were recorded as legal expenses, which prosecutors said was an unlawful attempt to mask the true purpose of the transaction.Trump’s lawyers contend they were legitimate payments for legal services. He denied the sexual encounter, and his lawyers argued at trial that his celebrity status made him an extortion target.
Defense lawyers also said hush money deals to bury negative stories about Trump were motivated by personal considerations such as the impact on his family, not political ones. They also sought to undermine the credibility of Cohen, the star prosecution witness who pleaded guilty in 2018 to federal charges related to the payments, by suggesting he was driven by personal animus toward Trump and fame and money.The trial featured weeks of occasionally riveting testimony that revisited an already well-documented chapter from Trump’s past. His 2016 campaign, threatened by the disclosure of an “Access Hollywood” recording that captured him talking about grabbing women sexually without their permission, also faced the prospect of other stories about Trump and sex surfacing that could have harmed his candidacy.
Trump did not testify, but jurors heard his voice through a secret recording of a conversationwith Cohen in which he and the lawyer discussed a $150,000 hush money deal involving a Playboy model, Karen McDougal, who has said she had an affair with Trump. Trump denies that affair.Daniels herself testified, offering a vivid recounting of the sexual encounter she says they had in a Lake Tahoe hotel suite. The former publisher of the National Enquirer, David Pecker, testified about how he worked to keep stories harmful to the Trump campaign from becoming public at all, including by having his company buy McDougal’s story.
Jurors also heard from Keith Davidson, the lawyer who negotiated the hush money payments on behalf of Daniels and McDougal. He detailed the tense negotiations to get both women compensated for their silence but also faced aggressive questioning from a Trump attorney who noted Davidson had helped broker similar hush money deals in cases involving other prominent figures.The most pivotal witness, by far, was Cohen, who during days of testimony gave an insider’s view of the hush money scheme and what he said was Trump’s detailed knowledge of it.
“Just take care of it,” he quoted Trump as saying.
Jesus Christ...
Hush money to avoid embarrassment is NOT defrauding anyone.
Who was the victim?
Who got defrauded?
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GOP Crime? Blotter
GOP North Carolina Governor candidate Mark Robinson is considering dropping out, comes after reports of a not yet released past scandal - Carolina Journal
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WinstonSmith wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
His lawyers said:
this was for actual legal services, but also he was trying to avoid embarrassment. There’s your benefit. They even said this is for his personal benefit, not political.
Jesus Christ...
Hush money to avoid embarrassment is NOT defrauding anyone.
Who was the victim?
Who got defrauded?
Hey answer this:
why do we have laws on how companies should keep their books? Why?
that might answer some of your questions.
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agip wrote:
are you kidding? Repubs prefer being in the minority. They are way happier sitting back and complaining than actually running a country.
I mean look at the House...they've done virtually nothing this year under R control. They don't like governing. It's too real. They'd rather live in the abstract world of right wing talking points.
Anyway, point is Gary will be happier than a clam if trump loses - he can then spend the next 8 years complaining, and in doing so, satisfying that itch.
True. The first two years of Trump's presidency he controlled all branches. And Trumpers were still livid because Trump took no responsibility and still blamed everyone else. Even though he was President he would still do rallies and his followers were fully triggered and swearing at Cameras and the fake news media.
Trump lives off Anger and divisiveness. He rejoices when he sees the nation divided.
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agip wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Jesus Christ...
Hush money to avoid embarrassment is NOT defrauding anyone.
Who was the victim?
Who got defrauded?
Hey answer this:
why do we have laws on how companies should keep their books? Why?
that might answer some of your questions.
Which law does calling a payment to a lawyer a legal expense violate?
Even if I grant you that these payments were legitimate falsification of business records it's a very minor misdemeanor.
None of you morons have any idea what the crime was that elevated them to felonies.
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WinstonSmith wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
His lawyers said:
this was for actual legal services, but also he was trying to avoid embarrassment. There’s your benefit. They even said this is for his personal benefit, not political.
Jesus Christ...
Hush money to avoid embarrassment is NOT defrauding anyone.
Who was the victim?
Who got defrauded?
Why didn't Trump just put the entry in the books as "Reimbursement for hush money for the porn star I banged"? Why did he have to conceal the truth?
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WinstonSmith wrote:
Which law does calling a payment to a lawyer a legal expense violate?
Even if I grant you that these payments were legitimate falsification of business records it's a very minor misdemeanor.
None of you morons have any idea what the crime was that elevated them to felonies.
“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” - Lavrentiy Beria
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Beyond worthless:
FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr says Kamala Harris has made no progress on her broadband infrastructure initiative despite having 3 years to work on it.
“In 2021, Vice President Harris agreed to lead the administration's signature $42 billion effort to extend internet service to millions of Americans.“It's now been 1039 days since that program was enacted.
“After all of that time, not one person has been connected to the internet.
“Not one home, not one business, not even one shovel worth of dirt has been turned.
“And it gets worse.
“No infrastructure builds will even start until sometime next year at the earliest, and in many cases, not until 2026.
“This makes Vice President Harris's $42 billion initiative the slowest moving federal broadband deployment program in recent history.”
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Shoko Asahara wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Jesus Christ...
Hush money to avoid embarrassment is NOT defrauding anyone.
Who was the victim?
Who got defrauded?
Why didn't Trump just put the entry in the books as "Reimbursement for hush money for the porn star I banged"? Why did he have to conceal the truth?
You think Trump is doing his own books you imbecile?
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WinstonSmith wrote:
agip wrote:
Hey answer this:
why do we have laws on how companies should keep their books? Why?
that might answer some of your questions.
Which law does calling a payment to a lawyer a legal expense violate?
Even if I grant you that these payments were legitimate falsification of business records it's a very minor misdemeanor.
None of you morons have any idea what the crime was that elevated them to felonies.
When the lawyer isn’t providing a legal service, it’s not a legal expense. The money was hush money Trump was paying to a porn star he was screwing while he was married. It wouldn’t be a legal expense if Trump paid it himself. It’s not a legal expense just because he funneled it through a lawyer.
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WinstonSmith wrote:
agip wrote:
Hey answer this:
why do we have laws on how companies should keep their books? Why?
that might answer some of your questions.
Which law does calling a payment to a lawyer a legal expense violate?
Even if I grant you that these payments were legitimate falsification of business records it's a very minor misdemeanor.
None of you morons have any idea what the crime was that elevated them to felonies.
Why were the charges a felony?
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records.
In Trump's case, prosecutors said that other crime was a violation of a New York election law that makes it illegal for "any two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," as Justice Juan Merchan explained in his instructions to the jury.
What exactly those "unlawful means" were in this case was up to the jury to decide. Prosecutors put forth three areas that they could consider: a violation of federal campaign finance laws, falsification of other business records or a violation of tax laws.
Jurors did not need to agree on what the underlying "unlawful means" were. But they did have to unanimously conclude that Trump caused the business records to be falsified, and that he "did so with intent to defraud that included an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."40 -
WinstonSmith wrote:
Shoko Asahara wrote:
Why didn't Trump just put the entry in the books as "Reimbursement for hush money for the porn star I banged"? Why did he have to conceal the truth?
You think Trump is doing his own books you imbecile?
He’s too busy doing porn stars (while his wife is home taking care of the baby).
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Shoko Asahara wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Which law does calling a payment to a lawyer a legal expense violate?
Even if I grant you that these payments were legitimate falsification of business records it's a very minor misdemeanor.
None of you morons have any idea what the crime was that elevated them to felonies.
When the lawyer isn’t providing a legal service, it’s not a legal expense. The money was hush money Trump was paying to a porn star he was screwing while he was married. It wouldn’t be a legal expense if Trump paid it himself. It’s not a legal expense just because he funneled it through a lawyer.
Who was the go between between Daniels and Trump?
Who negotiated how much the hush money would be?
When a hooker tries to extort you which category do you use in QuickBooks?
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WORLDS APART wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Which law does calling a payment to a lawyer a legal expense violate?
Even if I grant you that these payments were legitimate falsification of business records it's a very minor misdemeanor.
None of you morons have any idea what the crime was that elevated them to felonies.
Why were the charges a felony?
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records.
In Trump's case, prosecutors said that other crime was a violation of a New York election law that makes it illegal for "any two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," as Justice Juan Merchan explained in his instructions to the jury.
What exactly those "unlawful means" were in this case was up to the jury to decide. Prosecutors put forth three areas that they could consider: a violation of federal campaign finance laws, falsification of other business records or a violation of tax laws.
Jurors did not need to agree on what the underlying "unlawful means" were. But they did have to unanimously conclude that Trump caused the business records to be falsified, and that he "did so with intent to defraud that included an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."Nice research - well done. You forgot to include how he was only charged with a felony, how he was found guilty, YET he was never convicted. Again, nice research but be more complete.
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WORLDS APART wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Which law does calling a payment to a lawyer a legal expense violate?
Even if I grant you that these payments were legitimate falsification of business records it's a very minor misdemeanor.
None of you morons have any idea what the crime was that elevated them to felonies.
Why were the charges a felony?
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records.
In Trump's case, prosecutors said that other crime was a violation of a New York election law that makes it illegal for "any two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," as Justice Juan Merchan explained in his instructions to the jury.
What exactly those "unlawful means" were in this case was up to the jury to decide. Prosecutors put forth three areas that they could consider: a violation of federal campaign finance laws, falsification of other business records or a violation of tax laws.
Jurors did not need to agree on what the underlying "unlawful means" were. But they did have to unanimously conclude that Trump caused the business records to be falsified, and that he "did so with intent to defraud that included an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."Another idiot googling and pasting things without any idea what they mean... lol.
WHO WAS DEFRAUDED???
Trump's books are not public information. NO ONE would have seen these entries before the election. How the hell do entries that no one would see before the election impact the election in any way??
Merchan is an idiot. HIs ruling will be thrown out in large part because of how awful his just instructions were.
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